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'Experts' Should Be Treated With Scepticism

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One of the things that Australians should be concerned about regarding this National Cabinet' - apart from it's very dubious existence - is Morrison's recent inclusion on it of ultra-Left, foreign politician, Jacinda Ardern. Who's next: Xi Jinping?

Arden, referred to by Augusto Zimmerman as "Kommissar of the Kiwis", has done enough insulting of Australia and making rude comments about our inner workings without being asked. She is not the sort of person that would be tolerated in Australia by the general electorate. Yet our increasingly dogmatic PM includes her in our business.

Even New Zealand's Human Rights Commissioner, Paul Hunt, has serious concerns about Ardern's own "draconian" and "rushed" laws on the China virus, describing her action as a "great failure of our democratic process".

This is the same woman who rushed through "the most extreme abortion law in the world”. Not nice. Not wanted. Not an Australian.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 12:22:26 PM
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The right to farm.
Government supports risk based regulation. “ A risk-based planning permit process based on site selection, design and land management practices is therefore supported by state govt:
A grab for money for shires.
Are our lawmakers impartial.
Farm viability.
SPU values that are pathetic. A grown pig is the value of 1.8 pigs.
Persons in positions that should not be there.
Fraudulent activity.
Vested interests.
Australia on the verge of importing milk and pig meat and chook eggs.
ASF and Calesy Virus act in the same manner, they both cause internal hemorrhage. Coincidence or not.
The worlds most restrictive farm rules apply in Victoria Australia.
Red tape is killing farms. The latest farm rules September 2018 is the most restrictive ever.
Over governed, Dealing in problems that is not their responsibility. Town planning in a FZ zone is treated the same as any other zoning. Locked in allowances as what happens on your farm, which is the most restrictive load of B/S ever.
A planning permit consists of involvement of items that are covered by a host of other agencies. There has to be separation of involvement. If a problem arises the shire would not want to know about it, they get the appropriate agency to deal with it. Their involvement finishes when the planning permit is delivered. [Albeit with money up front of course]
Names of persons unmentioned, A panel of animal experts assumed impartial. What do we need council for ? To collect the money of course.
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Posted by Riely, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 12:27:34 PM
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We have reached the stage where farmers have no say in what they do on farm we are run by “criteria” is the name of the game how to run a farm from a distance. The day of the simple farmer that can think for themselves has finished, now you need a university degree just to fill in an application form. Farmers are now dictated to as to what and how they operate. That is called systematic control. The top level of govt; make the bullets and lower govt; fire the shots.
“Bio Security” is an un-defendable open ended word with multiple uses used to dampen down any and all proposals. The word is used without explanation. If they were really worried about Bio Security they would get rid of the gigantic population of wild pigs. People that do not immunize are a Bio security concern.
Did this ASF really come from Africa where the disease has been for hundreds of years or is it a disease that was used for something else. Something’s do not suite the mould somehow.
Animal foods manufactured on site with only ingredients grown on site with imported hay is the safest and less likely with contamination from meat meal or dodgy additives like supermarket producers use.
Pigs and chickens are complementary and you should not be worried about chickens eating pigs or pigs eating chickens with proper feeding they have no problems, If problems arise it’s the farmer who is at fault not the pigs. With Australia roaming with 24 million wild pigs, domesticated pigs are a minor concern. Animal experts should know that. The word of the day is “Bio security”
Off farm animal food is seen as the trigger for intensive animal farming, does that include material bought in to aid manufacture of food pellets on farm, probably seen as a “Bio security concern.
Every time I have been to the council office I get a drip feed of information, so I adjust my plans to suite the new information I have been given.
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Posted by Riely, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 12:32:25 PM
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Towns floundering like dying fish is best served with progressive ideas and not obstructionist views. Employment should be the goal.
If farming is to evolve the farmer must be free to experiment as to what is grown or kept on farm, as it stands now the farmer has his hands tied. One animal constitutes a planning permit albeit a “simplified process.” Which is not worth the effort of writing the words. What is the definition of a farm. What is a mixed farm. The whole process is more about how much money you have to pay upfront, guided by persons that are ill informed.
So now I have another plan poultry and pigs. [all to suite the simplified process] This was found to be riddled with complications. “pigs and chickens grazing together is a Bio Security concern. That should include Kangaroos, crows, wild ducks, galahs, and sparrows.
At the time of interview it was assumed best to apply for maximum stocking numbers allowable to cater for any overrun of stock. I was not expecting the application to be fobbed off to other persons of names not before mentioned, or a panel of animal experts which makes an interview useless.
Council need to read their constitution or charter to refresh their customer service practices.
Twelve months of trying to get the necessary permits has resulted in nothing gained, there seems to be local laws as well as state laws with some thrown in which you are only allowed to know about slowly, when you take every obstruction into account your business plans become “unviable and worthless”.
Native Title happens at a depth over .6 meter. It just happens that piping crossing a laneway has to be at .750 meters. This ensures that money is collected for entering native title land.
Small scale farming is a bugbear for some councils even though no “Encumbrances’” were documented on the section 32. This may suggest my obstructions were self interest.
Surely native title is an encumbrance. As is the inability to make decisions.
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Posted by Riely, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 12:34:30 PM
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Not all graduates are academics. Not all excellent tradespeople are officially qualified or did apprenticeships. Some of both also may actually be shonks. Takes all types.
Loudmouth2,
Exactly, I totally agree with that ! What Toni Lavis is so vehemently defending is that we should automatically acknowledge academic experts as knowing & useful people ! To that I say some are but many aren't yet they are put on pedestals as sort of pillars of society !
We really should look into the cost effectiveness of so many "educated" people. Education is merely the first step, what they do afterwards & demand to get handsomely paid for by us taxpayers is another story because most aren't entering private enterprise, they mostly end up in some Govt Dept.doing only God knows what.
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 12:37:23 PM
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With rubbery figures of chicken stocking rates like 1500, 2500, or 10,000 / Ha. With meat birds the turn- around time is only 10 to12 weeks. On that timeframe a flock of chickens would be on grass for 4 to 5 weeks.
Conglomerates control council and cover their tracks by telling lies. Animal fat is no good for your health. “Why” Because the rubbish that aid the growth of animals gets stored in the fat of the animal. Eating supermarket pig meat is far worse than eating the fat of pig raised naturally, as was done for hundreds of years. We deny people the choice of eating natural matured food unadulterated from any poisonous supplementation.
A pig is a pig once the age of 26 weeks have passed no matter how old the pig becomes or what condition it is in. It is still a pig and not 1.8 pigs.
Stocking numbers based on grazing animals is a flawed way of calculation.
Double stocking rates with alternate vegetation other than grass. Stock numbers are not there forever.
Farmers are best to decide stocking rates according to what is being grown on farm at any particular time.
I read on the dept; of agriculture website that a freehand drawing was all that was necessary for this new simplified process. What qualifications are necessary to put together an acceptable application. No doubt we are talking about money.
The so called panel of experts that rule with overwhelming power. Have their impartiality ever been checked out.
A virus that ruined an entire industry is at large in Au and who knows where that will end up. Instead of dealing with the situation our governing bodies who know best and allow a deadly virus to escape “accidently of course” have ruined an industry that can feed millions and had massive export potential.
Government interference on farms should not happen they can not be trusted. Lets take European carp, and calysi virus for a small example. All of which are a “Bio Security Concern”

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Posted by Riely, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 12:37:38 PM
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