G'day Issy

I oppose capital punishment. Unfortunately the McMichael's, if proven guilty, will have to pay a penalty. Why I say unfortunately is because such crimes if a society is fair and just will never happen. The belief that these kinds of crimes end with the penalty is wrong. The penalty only masks the real problem which produces this murderous behaviour in the first place. The lead up to Ahmaud Arbery death began a long time before the killers were even born. Prejudice, hate, bigotry, disadvantage etc when that kind of injustice becomes engendered in a society, like it has in America, then this unjust behaviour is inevitable.

"Typical Green, defend the criminal at all costs." no, you defend the criminals, who although they never pull the trigger "load the gun" with hate and bigotry so these crimes take place.

Is it not gunnie policy to arm the community, tear down ALL gun controls, so citizens can "defend" themselves from wrongdoers? That is the simplistic knee-jerk approach that will "solve" these injustices. When a couple of the good ole' boys take the law into their own hands and mete out "justice" you go all funny.

Here is another one for you Issy; Australian soldier appears to murder an unarmed Afgan; Do you agree "if convicted, should be executed".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsctmCnFwp8

Paul,

Yes, if he committed an unprovoked murder just for the sake of killing.

Unfortunately, many murderers when paroled murder again, the death penalty saves innocent lives.

You've never told us why the Greens tried to get rid of sniffer dogs,
or why they think that a lone woman in a remote farmhouse should be stopped from having a firearm handy in case she needs to protect herself or her stock?

Paul,

Do you call that video evidence?

I hope you don' get jury duty.

Paul,

I firmly believe that a person has a right to use a firearm in lawful self-defence, don't you agree?

Issy please define "lawful self-defence", is there any gray area, or is it all black and white to you.

A solider in war enters a village, a young child comes running towards him, he shoots the child dead. The child could have been a trained suicide bomber. he wasn't but it has happened before in this war. Justified?

A youth has stolen your 'whipper-sniper' out of your back shed, you see the little blighter taking off, you grab your trusty old Winchester, or whatever, you can't catch him, so you give him one barrel to the back of the head. You didn't mean to, just wanted to fire over his head as a warning to stop. Justified?

Paul,

"A solider in war enters a village, a young child comes running towards him, he shoots the child dead. The child could have been a trained suicide bomber. he wasn't but it has happened before in this war. Justified?"

Probably, you only make a mistake once.

"A youth has stolen your 'whipper-sniper' out of your back shed, you see the little blighter taking off, you grab your trusty old Winchester, or whatever, you can't catch him, so you give him one barrel to the back of the head. You didn't mean to, just wanted to fire over his head as a warning to stop. Justified?'

No, discharging a firearm at a person who is running away and is no danger is never justified.

Lawful self-defence?
A couple of properties that I hunt rabbits and hares on have wild cattle and scrub bulls are a definite hazard to life if they charge so I always have a Brenneke slug in one barrel of the 12 gauge just in case I have to defend myself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrhpAZoiqxE

Tell me, and I've asked this before,
why, in that situation would the Greens prefer that the bull killed me, doesn't seem a very civilized way of looking at things.

If they don't prefer the human to be killed why do the NSW Greens have this on their website?

"Principles:

7. That personal protection should never be regarded as a genuine reason for owning, possessing or using a firearm."

See, I'm being charged by a scrub bull and running isn't an option, I'm a bit too old, so using a firearm to save my life wouldn't be justified in their myopic vision of life.

Tell me, Paul, why do the Greens have this attitude towards innocent people saving their own lives??