Sorry to destroy some cherished dreams from Greens Lefties & globalists, but a new paper shows it is clouds that control the earths temperature, CO2 is just a minor bit player. This is of course one of a couple of hundred peer reviewed papers proving the whole CO2 saga is political bulldust, not science.

Cloud forcing dominates in the Arctic

Within a matter of hours, the radiative forcing effects from clouds can vary by ±40 W/m² in the Arctic. From one year to the next, cloud radiative effects can vary by 70 W/m² and overall cloud radiative effects can reach 360 W/m² (Ebell et al., 2020).

Follow it & weep.

In contrast, the total accumulated change in net impact from CO2 forcing is only 1.82 W/m² since 1750 (Feldman et al., 2015).

Simply put, cloud forcing radiatively dominates in the Arctic. CO2 is a bit player, at most. Perhaps those who have been pushing the scam for years will use the coronavirus fiasco to to quietly drop the rubbish, rather than be proved to be fools.

Yes indeed Hasbeen, nothing new there.
A while back I collected a number of references to cloud sensitivity
of global warming. The Universities in Finland and Kobe have defined the argument.
It is the reason that AGW theory thinks that the
earth's temperature is so sensitive to a small amount of co2.
It explains why Ian Climer's "Can one in 80000 co2 molecules have that affect ?".
Well no it can't. But clouds can.

Climate Depot http://tinyurl.com/y5huzsz5

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-11/scientists-finland-japan-man-made-climate-change-doesnt-exist-practice by Tyler Durden

http://calderup.wordpress.com/category/3b-the-svensmark-hypothesis/

http://calderup.wordpress.com/category/3-climate-change/

Confirms that Roman & Medieval Warming was world wide. https://

Has, Please post links to the papers

is boris Johnson a geenie or globalist?

Hasbeen, have you shattered Boris Johnson's hope for the world to reduce greenhouse gas emissions?

No need to be sorry, because you are merely part of minority world opinion, albeit the concern is not yet mounting to enough real action.

For every bit of info you find, there are many, many more signs and publications that support global warming

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Confirms that Roman & Medieval Warming was world wide.
http://tinyurl.com/uqz485j

Chris there is no argument about whether the earth has warmed,
the argument is why ?
Start with Hendrix Svenmark's papers on cloud formation, sunspots etc.

Chris it has nothing to do with opinion, & everything to do with real scientific fact.

The type of research we see from James Cook is typical of the concocted bullsh1t that comes out of those riding the gravy train of global warming caused by a very minor trace gas.

You know the stuff, CO2 is making fish all left handed, & making them less scared of predators.

If you remember climategate, & who could forget it, you can only agree the whole thing is a fraud.

please send the link to Greta. That is where the 'experts' get their advice.

So many different stories on everything! Who to believe? As none of us knows any of these experts, or bullshite artists, as many of them might be, it's best to ignore the lot of them. Whatever happens, we mere mortals, and the experts or the BS artists can't do a thing about anything it. We will all die of old age or one of the many diseases available, one day. So, who gives a damn about any of it!

The paper is at http://epic.awi.de/id/eprint/50461/ and its only mention of CO2 is a statement that their calculations assume a constant concentration of 400ppm. It's a technical paper relating to cloud composition in the arctic (not representative of the whole planet) investigating the role of clouds as (which they acknowledge are a feedback mechanism) in the arctic experiencing more than twice as much warming as the global average.

Hasbeen, I meant to state link between co2 and global warming.

have the warmist religion dropped the peak oil scare. They were banging on about that in the 1970's. Oh well just another hopelessly flawed prediction based on corrupt models.

So you think 2019 summer(the hottest on record) was due to clouds? I don't think so.

I think we need to follow energy efficiency programs more seriously.
https://www.ecofinsolution.com.au/victorian-energy-upgrades

Co2 the bit player. Maybe just a bit above what nature intended like 400 ppm.
There is no trees growing where all of this co2 is stored there lies the problem. With a forty year lag time in it's demise it makes you wonder what will give out first.

Peak oil is Bazz's baby. You could say he was right with that much oil and no use for it is at a peak.

When all else fails just like Bolt blame a teenager for all of this Co2 in places it was not intended for.

The places you blokes get to to find some scrap of fake evidence that justifies your own belief is extraordinary.

Why not try CNN or huff post to find some real fake news.

What happened to all the evidence that came out of a university in England years ago, it fizzled out somehow

No pawanranta, it is not presence of clouds that causes temperature rise
but a reduction in the amount of clouds.
Don't sound off until you read about it.
Peak Oil is interesting. Peak "Crude" Oil occurred around December 2005.
At that time only crude oil was produced.
The Financial crash it caused in 2008 with the price at US$143 a barrel
sent the oil people racking around in history and they dug out fracking.
Hooray, we are saved !
Hmm, yes well, not so fast, turned out to be hard to make a profit.
The sagging economy has produced a glut, and a steep fall in the number of wells.
Then conventional search and development got so expensive that the oil
companies start to consider how to get out of the oil industry.
Watch this space.

Just saw on TV that people in the highly air-polluted places all over the Planet can see stars & mountain ranges, clear rivers etc for the first time in their lives, all due to the cut in emission.

I didn't have to wait long for my prediction, less than a month !

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=20817#367232

Definately happy to see less smog when heading to work. I don't know if there's any way to make that last without harming everything else. But regardless of the AGW scares that people push (I don't buy into any of them), having less smog is good for other reasons without worrying about global warming and islands disappearing. (Or any other end of the world scare that is pushed by AGW).

On a practical level, has anyone looked at the tempatures during this Covid "stay at home unless you have to leave" time? Are tempatures higher, lower, or about the same as would be expected? The effect of having clearer skies is observable in many places. If there's no data for or against AGW, then the whole thing should be dropped for good. Focus on reducing pollution for other real reasons instead of made up reasons.

I was hoping that a drastic reduction in emission would be evident but I'm blown away how quickly it became apparent, it's scary ! It just shows how much damage we're actually doing & if that isn't a wake-up call then I don't know what is !
I have stated several times before here that frivolous industries are the first to feel it if ever something serious just like COVID-19 were to occur.
Let's hope that this pandemic makes people think, particularly those who are vehemently opposing birth control.
The creationists must really consider the natural response to the overpopulation, having people die. Is modern medicine wrong in prolonging so many lives ? Isn't Medicine going against all that is natural & thereby causing so much pollution from too many humans ?
Is COVID-19 one of Nature's options when humans fail ?

Hmmh,
The 'Growth' Brigade's rather stumm on that !

The facts of Green energy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk11vI-7czE&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0YeEFJnsomo4RV5p8bY5VAUodMfq_h-zBuaU-pYkD56vH_YYpp3kSLJ1M