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The UK government has said that there will be reckoning for Communist China over its virus, it lying and cheating. Will we hear a similar comment from our government?
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 4:56:47 PM
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Dear Josephus,

Mate you are an utter dingbat.

You wrote;“China in one shipment has exported 82 tones of medical equipment from Australia and supply inferior product to other countries.”

Just look at how you are phrasing it, try this instead. Health official in China IMPORTED tonnes of medical equipment from Australian companies during the worst of the pandemic there, as you would expect them to. It wasn't from Australian government stockpiles was it.

Other countries health officials have also scoured the world for supplies and purchased supplies from many companies including some from China.

As in Australia the government can step in and halt the shipments if they can be shown to not be in the national interest.

Some of the products being sourced from South Korean companies are superior to the Chinese but are more expensive. Unfortunately some cash strapped hospitals and health systems are opting for the cheaper products. The test kits out of China are less than $5 per pop and are a test for antibodies not the virus directly so are mainly effective well into the infection. That is not how they are always being used.

Look I think China has a toxic brand of authoritarian capitalism that I detest but if you are going to criticise it please attempt to do so consistently.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 4:59:08 PM
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China has state-directed capitalism, not a free market, democratic system like the West. It is directed by Communists: a bit like a rat with a gold tooth. The Chinese Communist Party works on the 17th and 18th theory of maximising trade surplus, part of which requires establishing colonies; hence the CCP's desire to dominate the South China sea their 'belt and road plans’, and their push into Pacific countries, offering aid and loans, which, not repaid, gives the Communists the opportunity to take over land and facilities.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 7:05:19 PM
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THE CENTRAL KINGDOM

There is a real problem with Chinese in Australian politics.
A factor that we must take into account is the history of China’s relationships
with other countries. For a thousand years or so China dominated the
world as known to the Chinese. All historical states such as
Korea, Vietnam, Tibet etc were indeed subject to the suzerainary of China.
Japan appears to be the only state that was able to resist the
Chinese colonisation of Asia.
Communication speed would have been what saved countries further
away such as Central Asia and the Middle East from becoming client states
of the Central Kingdom.

Nevertheless it has become builtin to China’s approach to other
countries that other countries are vassell states to the
Central Kingdom states that all of Ancestral Chinese descent owe
allegiance to China.
The basis for this belief is that only China is a sovereign country.
All other countries are vassals of the Central Kingdom.
This has recently been reaffirmed by Pres Xi Jingping.
China was not a signatory to the Treaty of Westphalia in 1698.
That treaty defines what is a sovereign country and how its borders are defined.

This is the reasoning behind the seizure of the Sth China Sea islands and reefs.
It explains how they can just bring a drilling rig into Vietnamese
waters without even telling the Vietnamese government.
It explains how they can contact relatives in China and threaten them.
It explains how they can order other countries ships & planes out of
the Sth China Sea. They are ignored so far.

All Chinese everywhere are expected to accept any "requests."
Therefore can any Chinese be members of parliament ?
Can they ever not be dual citizens ?

The major exporting milk company in Tasmania has had its product banned in China.
There was at the time a Chinese bid to take over the company.
Strange that ? Guess who bought the company on the cheap !
So why were people surprised at the news that Chinese owned property
developers were buying up all available medical supplies in Australia ?
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 7:33:39 PM
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Following Chinese companies in Australia buying up medical supplies to send to China, and a letter from Pauline Hanson to the PM, the Treasurer has announced that ALL foreign 'investments' will be vetted by him, irrespective of value. not by some pissy board with a permanent staff of one.

The change is obviously aimed at China, but it will affect all foreign companies. It's a start. Obviously it will have to be sewn up so that Australia is protected from some less-than-loyal, pro-China Treasurer in the future.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 7:56:49 AM
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The SMH reported on a Chinese military man with links to criminal gangs was responsible for exporting medical supplies to China.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/former-chinese-military-man-behind-export-of-tonnes-of-medical-supplies-20200330-p54f8a.html?fbclid=IwAR0gLOVmNdmrXugopqYUYU7GwWFjTaJiyx8s4ymNn6h9d9_9RPhALzXax_Q#comments
Posted by Josephus, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 8:25:51 AM
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