Altrav:

" ... I have found and given evidence and reasons why I, and other deniers, are right. You and your fellow alarmists say what you like, we cannot accept it because they are not backed by logic or proof. Firstly you must debunk the greatest lie of al; that humans caused CO2, instead of it being caused by the heating of the planet. ... "

Mate, you are completely half witted and have no clue what you are talking about.

You have not provided any evidence whatsoever to support your assertions. Moreso, it is plain that you do not even understand what evidence is. That's how stupid you are.

All you have provided is unsupported opinion, claptrap and humbug.

No one has said that the burning of fossil fuels is the only source of CO2 emmissions. Cows farting is another one. What is being stated as fact by internationally accepted scientific method is that the dangerous excess is coming from people made sources.

You are almost entirely clueless and would do well to consider carefully what intelligent, educated people like Ian are telling you. You may of course also like to fess up as to what your personal vested interest in all of this is.

Do you really think that the majority of thinking people are the least bit interested in your drivel? I can assure you they are not.

You have been provided with the NASA link wherein is contained the EVIDENCE that you claim is false. But the first thing you ought do is get a good dictionary and associated materials and learn about what actually constitutes real evidence, as plainly you do not even understand the difference between that and biased opinion.

As for the economy, shipping out primary resource is not the only way to go. Most sophisticated economies hang on to their primary resource and value add it so here again you are demonstrating how ignorant you are.

You can see what you're up against ey Ian?

It is a problem with a lot of australians is that they have a considerably overblown sense of themselves, when in reality a lot of them are just poorly educated ignoramuses.

But, in their defence, a lot of them are just defending their livelihoods and are fearful. And the lack of decent political representation isn't helping that.

Even so, having had the opportunity to consider some of the better quality posts in this thread to date some of them have already quietened down a bit.

My view is that the scientific community needs to be less concerned about political backlash and more concerned about projecting unbiased fact into the community, personal risk or not so I do applaud your efforts in that regard and would encourage you not to be disheartened by some of the commentators here, as if you can get through to some of the numbskulls here, you can pretty much get through to anyone.

When dealing with thinking and well reasoned people the job of emparting important information is a relativley simple matter. But of course, many of the people in the community have educational levels well below that of the average high school student. And in some ways, the education system has improved since some of this lot were last in school.

But again, they fear for themselves and their families as a consequence of the inevitable economic and industrial changes that must come and as you have no doubt noted, will fight irrationally on account of that.

That is why in my view new options for the economy of tomorrow must be included in the discussion.

I think of it more in terms of a good computer simulation game like civilization. You start with cave people (like some here hha3) and gradually work your way up the ladder, balancing tech, economics and the political mechanism as you go.

rEPRUSu, you can rant and rave all you like.
You are the self absorbed fool here.
I have admitted my ignorance on the topic, and therefore have resorted to seeking info and answers from those who do know.
You have provided NOTHING, just a lot more of the same tripe.
Don't you dare patronise me or anyone else for being brave or smart enough to dare to believe logic and not rhetoric.
You do not have the where-with-all to claim the high ground.
If I am so stupid, then you must call some very educated men stupid, because I am only repeating what has been written.
I, at least quote links and sources.
All your good for is telling us that the science is right and we must accept it without question or we are stupid.
Well, when you can give me some names of these smart arses that claim all this doom and gloom, I can tell you now, their submission will have holes the size of which we have never seen before.
Stop kidding yourself and stop bagging us we have backing, you have BS.
Anyway, it is YOU who is the charlatan and deviant here, I, in good faith, asked you several straight forward questions, that I thought someone as smart as you make out you could answer very easily.
BUT, it seems as though you are just another con-man alarmist.
As I and AC have said, but you and your lot are so far up yourselves, you don't feel the need to answer.
You feel you are too important to answer.
And that is, how arrogant are you and your lot to think you can change the planets climate.
To further test your superior knowledge, how about answering the few questions I laid on you in my previous post.
Now that ought to be good for a laugh.

The following comment indicates the bigoted stance of a non scientific brain, as it is emotive and not reasoned fact.

"It is a problem with a lot of australians is that they have a considerably overblown sense of themselves, when in reality a lot of them are just poorly educated ignoramuses".

The Problem School children are brain washed in Marxist Global warming politics.

ENGLISH JUDGES REFUTE AL GORE'S "AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH": The decision by the British government to distribute Al Gore's film "An Inconvenient Truth" to schools has been the subject of a legal action by New Party member Stewart Dimmock. Although a full ruling has yet to be given, the Court found that the film was misleading in 11 respects and that the Guidance Notes drafted by the Education Secretary's advisors served only to exacerbate the political propaganda in the film. In order for the film to be shown, the Government must first amend their Guidance Notes to Teachers to make clear that:
1. The Film is a political work and promotes only one side of the argument.
2. If teachers present the Film without making this plain they may be in breach of section 406 of the Education Act 1996 and guilty of political indoctrination.
3. Eleven inaccuracies have to be specifically drawn to the attention of school children.

Those Teachers claiming science degrees must present facts and both sides of a proposition and demonstrate the realities.

I'm just never going to bow to the idea that unelected foreign bureaucrats know whats best for us and should decide our future.

What you want is for people to be so gullible and stupid that we remove the right of our kids to also decide whats best for them in the future by putting the caretakership of the nation permanently into foreigners hands now.

You can slowly fearmonger everyone else into submission;
You can put as much funding into climate scientists hands and offer them important positions.
You can move your temperature gauges out onto the middle of airport runways and homogenise your data to tell a different climate story.
You can use kids to try to manipulate the adults with guilt;
You can shut down streets and suburbs and try to hold the populace at ransom;
You can try to frighten by telling them you're making lists to punish them later.

But I'm never going to go for it.
I'll never sell my country's sovereignty out to unelected foreigners.
- Or support the idea of %GDP being paid towards global carbon taxes.
It's just not gonna happen.

You want Aussies to pay a tax just for getting out of bed in the morning.

All you bloody globalists and your interconnected world are the reason why a map of this country is starting to look like it has chicken pox from COVID-19.

Academic know-it-alls can do more harm than good.
The planet wouldn't be on the verge of a global pandemic if you people didn't try to weaponise viruses.

There is some good that comes out of universities;
But there's a lot of seriously misguided crap from people that have been locked in their labs too long and gone all 'mad scientist' because they lost touch with the real world.

Real scientist do not intimidate others by blackmail to accept their conclusions; they demonstrate fact by showing the evidence. However under the present circumstances we cannot trust the scientists as they have altered the history to suit their conclusions.