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Deniers, your time is up!
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Posted by Josephus, Thursday, 12 March 2020 10:51:46 PM
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Hasbeen,
The insults you unthinkingly hurled at me failed to hide the fact that you had no objective criticism at all. Your assertions that solar power is incapable of doing certain things are not backed by physics at all - indeed they're often disproven by reality, as mining companies invest in solar power to cut their energy bills. And despite my name, I'm definitely not a part of Gen Z! Nor am I against nuclear power, though many here are keen to label me that way because of my refusal to make heroic assumptions about its costs! And where did you get this "low to zero" phrase from? Certainly not the Institution of Mechanical Engineers (who commissioned the survey). Nuclear power is, of course, a low carbon source of energy, but it has never been zero. __________________________________________________________________________________ Josephus, I see you're resorting to strawmen and lies again! Nobody (except possibly a small lunatic fringe) want to shut down the Australian mining sector. Though we'd like to see coal mines close (and new ones not open) there's near universal support for mining of metals. And nobody is claiming there'll never be cold weather again. Haven't you learned the difference between climate and weather yet? Posted by Aidan, Friday, 13 March 2020 2:00:18 AM
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Aidan,
Human effect on climate is lies, you have no evidence. If you have evidence that a pattern of extreme weather is not climate, then demonstrate the difference. http://www.use-due-diligence-on-climate.org/home/climate-change/wild-weather/historical-extreme-weather/ Quote, In 1992, former Vice President Al Gore assured his listeners, that “Only an insignificant fraction of scientists deny the global warming crisis. The debate is over. The science is settled.” In 2009, Gore said, human-induced climate change is claimed by 97% of scientists’. That is in fact 75 scientists of 77 whose reports were chosen on human effect on Global warming. Doran and Zimmerman, 2009. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2009EO030002/abstract The American Geophysical Union (AGU) is a nonprofit organization of geophysicists, consisting of over 61,000 members from over 146 countries. An online poll was performed by Doran & Zimmerman (University of Illinois) in a cherry picking exercise – From the 61,000 AGU earth scientists, they solicited 10,257. ( The other 50,000, that were known to be critical of the AGW theory, including: solar scientists, space scientists, cosmologists, physicists, meteorologists and astronomers, were excluded !! ) Of the 10,257 only 3,146 replied. 3,069 of those respondents (97.5%) were then also excluded after the responses were received (deemed unsuitable, because they were neutral !!)… … leaving just 77 per reviewed scientists who were then asked 2 questions. [Accepting ONLY those who were in government-paid positions. NO private employed or retired scientists were allowed.] The first question asked respondents to compare current temperatures to the pre-1800s, (the depths of the Little Ice Age), and asked whether it’s warmer now.!! The second question asked “Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?” _______________________________________________________________ In contrast 31,487 scientists signed ‘The Global Warming Petition Project’ http://www.petitionproject.org/ , stating – “There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.” Posted by Josephus, Friday, 13 March 2020 11:38:39 AM
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I have recently read an article but have not had time to
look further into the story, but it was suggested that the American Physics Society which is said to have 50,000 scientist members, has reversed its opinion on CO2 caused global warming. The article listed statements by many members that AGW is false and that the IPCC is corrupted. Those that know their way around scientific circles may enlighten the rest of us. Posted by Bazz, Friday, 13 March 2020 2:38:27 PM
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Josephus directs us to the Petition Project.
Petition Project http://www.petitionproject.org/ Looks impressive. 31,000 scientists signed a Petition saying manmade climate change is a hoax! Quote from Petition:...No evidence… greenhouse gases… cause… heating… Need some due diligence! Sadly it cannot be verified. Try to see the signatories - by name: lists only letter A, surname and one initial, and no further information provided, no links. Try by US State: lists only California, and again, no further information and no links. Most likely a simple fake. The time for this type of farce is over. Posted by Ian Bryce, Saturday, 14 March 2020 1:10:35 PM
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Ian, here is one of the scientists who organised the petition.
Dr. Patrick Moore former Greenpeace president. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjlmFr4FMvI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWahKIG4BE4 Posted by Josephus, Saturday, 14 March 2020 1:35:39 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A8QfIGwK88