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Rotten to the core.

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SR if you don't have the education, or are too lazy to put in the effort, I am not interested in trying to educate you. Do so by your own effort.

However if as I believe, you are a gravy train rider, or simply a globalist trying to use the scam for political purposes, there is nothing in it for me trying to educate those who refuse to see facts.
Posted by Hasbeen, Monday, 2 March 2020 6:44:10 PM
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Do so by your own effort.
Hasbeen,
SteeleRedux only sounds intelligent because he uses Grammarly !
Posted by individual, Monday, 2 March 2020 7:26:53 PM
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Dear Hasbeen,

You have trotted out this limp wristed excuse so many times before it is nauseating.

The last time we really engaged on this you were talking about decreasing temperatures on the peninsula saying "See my new post highlighting NASA figures showing 20 years of Antarctic cooling."

I showed multiple stations on the peninsula having a warming trend.

Then this news;

"Antarctica has logged its hottest temperature on record, with an Argentinian research station thermometer reading 18.3C, beating the previous record by 0.8C.

The reading, taken at Esperanza on the northern tip of the continent’s peninsula, beats Antarctica’s previous record of 17.5C, set in March 2015.

A tweet from Argentina’s meteorological agency on Friday revealed the record. The station’s data goes back to 1961."

Well that blew your so called cooling trend apart didn't it.

Come on mate, I have gone and done in-depth study of the evidence too and it checks out for me. Cough up for once. Whatcha got?
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 2 March 2020 8:11:41 PM
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Hasbeen, Given your experience as an ex fighter pilot, with knowledge of pilot training, aerodynamics, & meteorology, you would have to know that no-one can get a pilot's licence without practical flying experience - this is common knowledge. Also many aeronautical engineers would be pilots, as I said. It is not necessary to be a pilot to know this. So why would you challenge me for pointing out the obvious weakness in Individual's analogy? Just because I am not a pilot I can't state an obvious fact about flying?

Although I don't work in academia, I have a couple of science degrees, with a lot of chemistry, some maths and stats, and have worked in the area of geology/landscape/environmental history of the late Pleistocene (the ice ages). So I am familiar with the chemistry of the greenhouse effect on the atmosphere, and the relation between air and ocean C02 storage, and also the actual climate and environmental changes over the few hundred thousand years. I've been doing this for a bit longer than 3 months, nearly 50 years.

I could repeat all the evidence for global warming, and rebut all the misconceptions about the current situation based on the long-term history of the earth's climate (eg. because there used to be huge amounts of CO2 hundreds of millions of years ago, a bit more now won't be a problem for us). That would be pointless, since you have convinced yourself that it is all a scam.

So, with three months update in maths, you have concluded 'that many academics, I would previously have trusted to tell the truth were just a little worse than used car salesmen, when it came to helping with their lies to improve university cash flows'. What next: a three month crash course in medicine so you don't have to pay medical specialists the high fees they charge to improve their practice's cash flow?
Posted by Cossomby, Monday, 2 March 2020 10:42:08 PM
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Hasbeen: Just a follow-up. You believe that you 'can't help those who are too silly to look at the facts'. But I don't feel the same: I think if you looked at the 'facts' more carefully you might decide it isn't a scam at all. I don't 'accept any lies', mainly because I don't think there are any, and I don't accept anything other scientists say at face value because I think they are 'my betters'. I do accept that we still don't know exactly what is going to happen, because the atmospheric and oceanic circulation is so complex, and we will probably always have problems with trying to model it. Failures in modelling attempts are par for the course especially in such complex science; it's how we learn.

Nonetheless, the evidence so far gives serious cause for concern which is why so many people have been spelling out the worst case scenario. And if you prepare for the worst case scenario and it doesn't happen, then you'll be ahead of the game (I might hazard a guess that flying involves such worst case preparation?). Basically, no climate scientist wants to be attacked 20 or 30 years later with: 'You knew all along that this was likely to happen! Why the X&$@ didn't you warn us?'

And as my petroleum geologist brother said to me: 'we ain't seen nothing yet. Just wait till the oceans release all the extra CO2 they have been storing for the last 100 or so years'.

Finally, could you perhaps turn your maths to the question: why would the burning of tens to hundreds of millions of years worth of stored biomass (coal, oil) in just a 150 years NOT have an effect on the atmosphere? I've asked other climate change sceptics this and never got an answer.
Posted by Cossomby, Monday, 2 March 2020 11:05:41 PM
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Cossomby, if you have a bit of math, go & have a look at todays post on the NoTricksZone blog.

It has a long mathematical refutation of every thing you currently believe in your deference to authority.

It is pretty heavy going, but no one who does not actually try to understand the physics has no right to lecture anyone who does. This lot gave me a headache about half way through, as I always try to falsify these things when I read them, to prove to myself I am understanding what I am attempting to understand.

So far no such luck, but as I said only half way through it.

I recommend it to SR & Mr O, although I doubt they would dare to even read such stuff, in case it destroys their beliefs. If you are game, give it a try yourself.

There are many papers you could try. 200 such peer reviewed papers were published in Germany alone last year proving CO2 can not cause much if any warming. A number of them have pretty good arguments to suggest it actually increases convection, causing increased heat loss from the surface, & is a cooling agent. I can't fault them, but remain to be convinced. We definitely do not have a handle on the climate yet, & will probably not have for decades if not centuries.

We most definitely will not get there if we try to live with alternate energy. At our present development of science coal, hydrocarbons & nuclear will be necessary for a long time, for civilisation to progress.
Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 12:08:13 AM
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