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Emotional Claptrap About A Damn Car

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No, but plenty for the workers to worry about!!

One of the reasons that manufacturing has declined in Australia is free trade and much lower costs in some countries, notably Bangladesh.
Many Australian businessmen have taken advantage of the low wages and primitive working conditions that their foreign counterparts countenance and advocate in their own countries and against their fellow citizens.

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"Made in Poverty: The True Price of Fashion", February 2019

Oxfam, together with the Bangladesh Institute for Labour Studies and the Institute for Workers and Trade Unions in Vietnam, has interviewed more than 470 workers across Bangladesh and Vietnam... All of them were part of Australian clothing supply chains at the time of interview, employed in garment factories that supply at least one iconic Australian clothing brand...

Not only are almost all the workers... being paid well below a living wage; they are also struggling to feed themselves and their families... They fall into spiraling debt, live in poor conditions and cannot afford the healthcare or education they and their families need. Workers in Bangladesh told stories of... pulling their children out of school in order to send them to work in the garment sector to bring in more money...

[The] research also reveals the strategies and practices used by Australian companies that drive wages down. Interviews with factory owners and managers showed that, despite clear commitments on important fundamental rights at work in their Codes of Conduct, Australian companies place pressure on garment factories... undertake fierce price negotiation, often jump between contracts instead of working with factories over the long term, squeeze lead times for orders and operate with a separation between their ethical and standards staff and their buying teams, who negotiate directly with factories..."
http://www.business-humanrights.org/en/oxfam-australian-brands-purchasing-practices-are-driving-down-wages-for-garment-workers-in-bangladesh-vietnam

Given half a chance they'd do the same thing in Australia.
Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 23 February 2020 11:10:03 AM
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Issy, finally, welcome to the real world.
Your comments and ideologies are pure fantasy.
The numbers and stats you have supplied are contrived to support a pre-conceived agenda.
What you described as bad practices are all part of business.
You malign Woolworths as if they have under payed their floor and shop staff.
The ones who are alleged to have been underpaid are the white collar office jockeys more so than the rest.
The underpaying, as is reported, is due to internal mistakes in salary levels and NOT the stealing of money from the workers, you and the media want to make out.
Furthermore, as I have repeatedly said, if a worker agrees on an amount, then so be it.
None of your or anyone else's business.
If they don't like it they don't take the job, get it?
Even if they take the job and later ask for a pay rise and are refused, the same still applies.
Malicious thinking people like yourself want to paint ALL companies as having slave labour, working for nothing and staying against their will.
Do you sick idiots actually read, or even believe what you write, or are you all just nasty little sh!t stirrers, who have wasted your lives and now looking back you decide the fault was the bosses and not the fact that you had a good time when you were younger, how does that stupid vial saying go?
I work to live, and not live to work.
Well there was your first and fatal mistake.
Had you worked more and wasted time and money in your youth, you absolutely would be living the life of Ryan today, like me, instead of bitching and bellyaching about things you know NOTHING about, nor are you ever going to?
You see people like you with your victim-hood mindset will never get it, because of your subjective, and flawed thinking.
I'll bet if you were paid more money, you would still be broke at the end of the day, because your idea of life is to have "FUN".
Posted by ALTRAV, Sunday, 23 February 2020 12:04:36 PM
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When money is borrowed into existence, it forces every country to exploit others.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 23 February 2020 12:05:40 PM
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Working conditions in Bangladesh and any part of Third World have nothing to do with a discussion on unions in Australia. And there are no unions in the Third World to add to the the cost of goods. The low wages in such countries are no concern of ours; but what do you think the workers there would have been existing on before the jobs were transferred from the expensive West? There is no dole or welfare. What we consider to be sweat shop wages are very welcome to them. If they ever get unionised, they will lose the jobs to some other cheap labour country just as Australia has.

There is no point in trying to justify unions in Australia by dragging up what goes on in backward countries. We are a rule of law country, where there is ample protection for workers. There was a good reason for unions once. Now, there is not. And workers themselves have shown this by dumping membership holus bolus, no matter what a bunch of retired old farts living in the past think. Things have changed. Isn't that what you lefty progressives are always saying - when it suits you only, it seems.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 23 February 2020 1:51:54 PM
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ttbn, what happens next is just the sort of thing these lefty morons were trying to avoid, so they say.
And that is; the Australian economy is going to decline over the next few years, the time frame will depend on whether we can get rid of the greens or at least diminish their influence on those who are unaware of what's going on and believe any tripe these mongrels put out.
Either way our economy will slide, but our Asian neighbours will rise to take up the benefits and industries that we will lose.
The net effect is that the region will move towards a closer balance, so we will become closer to second world and third world countries will rise to become second world.
This was always the plan by those hidden way up in the clouds, better known as the elite, in some cases.
Just remember where the unions and labour came from.
It's as if they set out to destroy Australia, just remember WWII and those bastard wharfies delaying loading Aussie supply ships with necessary provisions and equipment, including guns and ammunition to send to the troops abroad,
They delayed the ships purposely to give the enemy, their allies, a chance at gaining ground and ultimately winning the war.
Even the American sailors were ready to attack and kill the wharfies for their treasonous acts, if not for the intervention of some high profile figures, who escape me at this time.
Otherwise we would have been shod of the Unions way back during the war.
I for one wish it had happened, after seeing ALL our industries infected and or killed one by one.
Now the Unions are as good as gone, along come another brand of bloody commo's, the greens.
These guys are even worse because they are simply vandals and don't know anything or believe in anything, so we are back to having to tolerate another bunch of morons.
Well hopefully we have learned our lesson with the Unions and labour and this time we will cut the greens off at the roots.
Posted by ALTRAV, Sunday, 23 February 2020 3:34:14 PM
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ALTRAV,

"Either way our economy will slide, but our Asian neighbours will rise to take up the benefits and industries that we will lose."

If Green-owned Labor get in at the next election, their zero emissions policy ALONE will achieve economic collapse for Australia.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 23 February 2020 4:15:19 PM
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