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Emotional Claptrap About A Damn Car

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SM, I don't know why lefties don't see it.
Is it pride?
Is it the fear of their world suddenly falling apart?
Is it the fear in coming to realise and having to cope with all the emotional and irrationality of being wrong and having wasted all those years.
Is it having to accept that they were part of a huge con by a very greedy and selfish, lot of crooks, who at best were misguided if there were any who really believed in the unions BS, or at worst had worked out people's weaknesses and played them like children with candy?
I don't get it when the evidence is there for EVERYONE to see, not just the righties.
It is a historic fact that the leftist notion of a communal working environment only works when you have a like minded people with inclusive mindsets and ideologies.
People today are greedy and selfish, with emphasis on "SELF".
So the labour/union ideology has not/cannot not work, end of.
I have NEVER understood, if a person is offered X amount of pay, they have a choice, they can reject it and move on till they find a job that fits ALL their criteria, including the pay rate.
This arrogant concept of accepting a job then pushing for a pay rise?
Really?
Posted by ALTRAV, Sunday, 23 February 2020 7:33:49 AM
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ALTRAV,

Without unions, there would not have been the legislative framework that now protects most workers.

It's not unions that run illegal sweatshops.

"“Poor working conditions in the garment sector are not confined to low-wage countries. In Australia, the use of home-based outworkers in the cut make and trim stage of production is common. These are among the most marginalised and precarious workers. Over the past decade, state and federal inquiries have consistently found that outworkers receive payment and conditions significantly below their award and statutory entitlements (see for example, Productivity Commission 2003; Industry Commission 1997). In the Travelling Textiles report , Brotherhood of St Lawrence research in 2007 confirmed that conditions had worsened in the previous five years. Some outworkers reported they were paid as little as $2.50 for a detailed shirt which took one hour to sew, while others advised they were paid between $2 and $3 an hour (Diviney & Lillywhite 2007).”
http://www.ethical.org.au/3.4.2/get-informed/issues/homeworkers-in-australia/

You are not an "outworker" so you can sound righteous and the conditions of these unfortunate workers would be today's norm if it hadn't been for Unions.

Then there is the epidemic of underpayment,

"At the office of Fair Work Ombudsman Sandra Parker, the flood of companies rushing to declare that they have underpaid their workers has become a torrent – a torrent that she admits she might need more money to deal with.

Speaking to Guardian Australia this week after supermarket giant Woolworths admitted to underpaying staff by as much as $300m over almost a decade, Parker says it felt like big companies were coming forward almost weekly to declare their wrongdoing."
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/03/adly-checking-their-payrolls-the-ugly-truth-of-australias-underpayment-epidemic
Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 23 February 2020 8:43:29 AM
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It doesn't matter what is said for or against unions; hardly any workers belong to them these days.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 23 February 2020 9:31:08 AM
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The unions still in existence have been allowing some companies to get away with underpaying workers for years. Union fat cats are interested only in conning or menacing workers into paying their own inflated salaries for nothing. They just flop about, appearing on TV, and waiting for endorsement in a safe Labor seat.

The union movement is a mafia-like protection racket that doesn't provide any actual protection.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 23 February 2020 9:44:15 AM
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True, Union membership is declining but not across the board,

"The biggest increases in union membership over the last decade and a half were recorded by the Police Federation of Australia (PFA) (up 92 per cent), Australian Nursing and Midwifery Federation (ANMF) (up 84 per cent), and Independent Education Union of Australia (IEUA) (up 35 per cent)."
http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/rp1819/UnionMembership

Some people obviously have their heads screwed on and our dedicated nurses are among them as are police and teachers.
Many who are not in unions may regret the day they decided that they were strong enough to forego membership.
Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 23 February 2020 9:50:33 AM
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The number of union members in Australia has declined from around 2.5 million in 1976 to 1.5 million in 2016. During the same period the union member share of all employees (or union density) has fallen from 51 per cent to 14 per cent.Oct 15, 2018
https://www.aph.gov.au › pubs › Un...
Trends in union membership in Australia – Parliament of Australia.

51% down to 14%. Nothing for the unions to worry about there, then!
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 23 February 2020 10:29:46 AM
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