America is no exception to the misuse of party system in a democracy. Trump who was impeached in the house of representatives has been acquitted in the senate. Does that mean that the house of representatives made a mistake? Is it not an irony that truth varies according to the party. This is the tragedy of party system created by the so called democratic concept. As long as party system exists there is no escape from such flaws. In fact the multi party system has come as a death blow to truth and honesty. What nonsense is this party system and elections that cannot establish truth? Elections should be fought only by individuals without any party affliations and not by party candidates.
Let us not live in fool's paradise for ever.

Let us not live in fool's paradise for ever.
Ezhil,
Unfortunately Paradise is lost because fools are forever !

Dear Ezhil,

Not at all. Trump was of course guilty as hell as recognised even by many Republicans.

The question was whether the crimes were of the required magnitude to evict a sitting president. This is where it came down to party lines. Of course the gravity of the offense would be judged differently by those in the same party as the president compared to those who weren't.

That his crimes were not deemed sufficiently egregious by the majority of Republicans does not absolve him of anything.

does not absolve him of anything.
SteeleRedux,
Nor does it vindicate the Democrats for their venom-laden vindictiveness !

Pointless naivety.

The intelligentsia should be able to prevail upon the mediocre fools to set right follies in our social system. Nothing is perfect from the start. Continuous evolution towards a better system is needed. In this respect it is seen that the present multi party system has not contributed to any worthwhile improvement in the social scenario. The party system has rather contributed only to favouritism, nepotism and
loyalty to the party at the cost of truth and honesty. As a result the democracy is derailed terribly. Lat us try to change the system so that such mishaps do not occur. Here it is important that the value system should be strengthened at domestic level as well as school and college level. Only then we can see some silver lining.

Ezhil

you obviously ignore that the tantrum throwing Democrats have never accepted the fact that the deplorables beat them. Impeachment was in the minds of the sooky democrats, lying liberal media and deviants from Hollywood. By far the greatest abuse of power was by Nancy and the emasculated mob called the democrats.

Ezhil,
Perhaps identify a system that has open debate, and representative of the people from various perspectives. Otherwise have a one world view system that you can show that benefits everyone.

Steel shows his political bias in his claim some Republicans see Trump as guilty as hell, he fails to show that three Democrats voted with the Democrats in congress, and one of them leaving the Democratic Party to join the Republicans.

"Does that mean that the house of representatives made a mistake?"

No, the house is held by Democrats, and the Senate held by Republicans.
So it was all just a waste of time basically.

I have just discovered the history of mankind and in doing so found the answer to the centuries old question as to whether man was created by God "in his image", or whether we are here today by evolution.
Well I can finally reveal that based on the mental and intellectual ability displayed by certain people here on OLO, it is confirmed that 97% of humanity display undeniable links to the lineage of the apes as their ancestors, and in fact nearly all of the 97% still display ape and neanderthal tendencies today.
It is borne out and confirmed by the the same 97% who claim we are responsible for the planet warming.
We are not that capable to produce enough of anything the size of the earth.
The moon tries every now and then, unlike the sun, which is MUCH larger and able to influence the earth more readily than we could ever dream to do so.
There is more than enough evidence to finally start to call it for what it is, and IT is a fraud.
Too many people are confusing localised pollution with GW or CC.
The two are not even related.
One IS caused by man (pollution).
The other is NOT (natural earthly event).
The POLLUTION I speak of are solids and liquids.
These can be controlled with little expense and energy.
Any other burning of fossil fuels either liquid or solids only produce small quantities of gasses of which some are CO and others CO2.
CO falls back to ground with little or no long lasting effects or residual products.
CO2 helps the vegetation and re-greening the planet, Carbon falls and returns to ground, a good molecule.
O2 is oxygen and it too is a good molecule/gas and adds to our atmosphere, and again helps re-oxygenate the planet.
There is NO evidence of any abuse or harming the planet, so those of you who are still holding onto old dogma, let it go before you become part of the laughing stock telling everyone the world is going to end.

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No system or philosophy should induce prejudice or bias in man. If that happens that has to be discarded. Party system does the same.Why not we discard that and go for partyless democracy. Here only the individual's character and quality matters."Loyalty to party" at the cost of truth can be averted I hope. In ancient Greece every member had the opportunity to head the governance, it is learnt.Materialistic tendency coupled with religious fundamentalism play the spoil sport in our democratic set up,it is seen.Man should not remain primitive for ever.He should evolve into a human being.

;Materialistic tendency coupled with religious fundamentalism play the spoil sport in our democratic set up,it is seen.Man should not remain primitive for ever.'

seems to be the irreligious fundies who push idiotic man made gw religion and murder millions of unborn Ezhil. You display hopeless bias and loyalty to sick philosophy/doctrine.

Ezhil,

In the ancient Greek democracy, there were groups who followed one man and voted accordingly, party politics.

Dear Josephus,

You write; “Steel shows his political bias in his claim some Republicans see Trump as guilty as hell, he fails to show that three Democrats voted with the Democrats in congress”

You really are utterly inept at this aren't you.

Anyway shall we cut to the chase and focus where it matters, on the Senate.

There have been three impeachment attempts on presidents. Andrew Jackson, Bill Clinton and Trump all with two articles each.

There were plenty of Republicans in the Senate who voted for Clinton's acquittal just as there were plenty of Republican senators who voted to acquit Andrew Jackson.

Not a single Democrat Senator voted to acquit Trump.

But far more significantly this was the first time in American's long history that a member of a president’s party to vote to convict that president.

As far as i know trump is a neutral president. I do not know how some on this site see him as a republican. He could have gone either way. Trump has been good for America. The democrats are full of lice driven by a handful of far out politicians. He obviously did not like the Obama style of stepping back from being world police man.
China needs to be contained as they are out of control, and dangerous. With this virus running wild their people are not happy and hopefully it emerges into a ground swell of opposition.

Can't we talk about a democracy and forget about America. I'm voting for Colonel Bernie Sanders and his promise of "free chicken for All!"

'In the ancient Greek democracy, there were groups who followed one man and voted accordingly, party politics.'

At least Is Mise they recognised a 'man'. Democrats tell us that biology lies and their is no such thing as gender.

Ezhil,

It was clear from the day Trump was elected that the democrats wanted to impeach him, according to the democrats he was guilty and they simply needed to find out what for.

It was also clear from the start that the democrats had no intention of following due process and that their aim was to throw as much mud as possible at Trump with the result that by the time the vote came for impeachment there was lots of hype but more opinion than actual evidence.

So while lots of people believe that Trump is guilty, the shockingly bad case prepared by the democrats was summarily dismissed by the Senate and Trump was exonerated.

I agree Steele, the Democrats have shown extraordinary partisanship in this and there should have been far more of them voting against indictment. There basically weren't any charges.

The idea that the president exercising his legal rights to stop a witness appearing is in some way an obstruction of Congress is nonsensical. The matter could have been challenged in the courts, but they couldn't be bothered.

The main charge is even sillier, because it basically says that if there is a possibility that you might run for president, then you should be immune from investigation into your criminal activities. There's no doubt that Biden is corrupt, and some of the evidence is out of his own mouth. Rudy Giuliani has been doing a sterling job outlining the case against Biden and his son, plus others, and is now starting to get deep into the Democrat Party on his "Common Sense" Youtube channel. Well worth a look. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-9J07yyuXQTx_uZQchtwsg

Corruption has become deeply embedded in the US establishment, and it's a concern that the Democrats appear united to defend the corruption.