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180 arsonists have been arrested since the start of the bushfires. How much CO2 needs to be removed to stop arson?
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 8:38:05 AM
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Josephus, the reason behind these temperatures, which by the way, are not indicative of anything, are due to a 'shift' or anomaly in that the weather patterns haven't changed but shifted Eastwards.
We, on the other hand are experiencing cooler weather than normal. The kinds of weather/temperatures you are experiencing in the East are exactly what we are used to. For reasons known only to the earth and maybe a handful of scientists, the earth has slowly revolved within it's own skin, if I may use that description. So NO GLOBAL WARMING or CLIMATE CHANGE. If there is any evidence that things are heating up on a global scale then it has to do with much greater and stronger influences than merely burning of fossil fuels. I can imagine if that were the case then the meters would be off the charts over this current catastrophe. I would like to see the readings after a few months when all this settles down again, I'll bet there will be nothing to report. Posted by ALTRAV, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 8:45:27 AM
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ALTRAV,
> you are merely giving an opinion. Oh, so Grandpappy says it's MY OPINION that State agencies are responsible for Hazard Reduction burns? (Then slaps his armchair, "My word! My word!") _________________________________________________ Managing fire-prone NSW national parks requires a three-pronged approach, including fire planning, community education, and fuel management. When it comes to fuel like dead wood, NPWS conducts planned hazard reduction activities like mowing and controlled burning to assist in the protection of life, property and community.A hazard reduction burn is a fire ignited by management and controlled to burn in a predetermined area under specific weather conditions to attain planned fuel management outcomes. Hazard reduction burning – sometimes called planned burning or prescribed burning – reduces the overall fuel hazard in strategic areas of a park and can significantly reduce fire behaviour, aiding fire suppression efforts and helping to protect life and property. Through the Enhanced Bushfire Management Program (EBMP), NSW National Parks and Wildlife Service (NPWS) will treat over 135,000ha per year in 800 or more planned hazard reduction activities. Achieving this is highly dependent on suitable weather conditions, given the narrow window of opportunity that exists in NSW for burning safely and effectively. http://www.nationalparks.nsw.gov.au/conservation-programs/hazard-reduction-program _________________________________________________ Hang on a minute, I'm sure they meant to say "The Greens"? Maybe NPWS are in on 'the conspiracy'? I'd better turn my tinfoil hat up to 11, because 'they' are in EVERY website! Posted by Max Green, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 9:40:42 AM
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Other than the usual suspects, the "bored" school children, arsonists, pyromaniacs etc who will, hopefully for the sake of those affected, be found and convicted - why has there been such a large scale fire threat on so many fronts in the wake of Greta Thunderpants ? Has there been an orchestrated event this summer and who exactly is behind it? In my lifetime there are several instances of events where extensive areas were burnt with loss of homes, businesses & lives. As bad as the current fires are, they have (as yet) not claimed as many houses or lives as did the respective fires of 1961, 1967, 1994, 2009 & 2013. These words (cut & pasted from: http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Former_Committees/agric/completed_inquiries/2008-10/bushfires/report/c02 ) echo today as they will in the ensuing state/territory inquiries & ineveitable Royal Commission...and I quote: " there has been grossly inadequate hazard reduction burning on public lands for far too long;
local knowledge and experience is being ignored by an increasingly top heavy bureaucracy; when accessing the source of fires, volunteers are fed up with having their lives put at risk by fire trails that are blocked and left without maintenance; there is a reluctance by state agencies to aggressively attack bushfires when they first start, thus enabling the fires to build in intensity and making them harder to control..." Start at the bottom where the local councils decide that a bicycle track going 10 kilometres out of town, leading to nowhere in particular is vastly more important to some or another bunch of "squeaky hinges" than a few lives saved by a fire crew able to access a small gully and put out a much smaller fire. No brainer really. Posted by Albie Manton in Darwin, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 10:06:40 AM
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Albie, thank you, I find it a little tiresome that the group of virtuous no-nothings, keep hammering their points home with a constant barrage of convenient "facts", which when put to the test fall short because what they are pushing is not what they purport it to be, references or evidence backed.
We may never know who is guilty of lighting the fires, but we can all see the evidence ferocity of the fires, in front of our very eyes. FUEL LOADS. We don't know who did or said what, if anyone is truly guilty of this catastrophe, but unfortunately for the GREENS, we do know their politics and they have aggressively promoted saving forests and trees and stopping burn-offs as they were destructive to flora and fauna. All this is on the record, so these alarmists can blame the record, if they dare try to refute this FACT. Then we have the mental and emotional deficients, like the idiot woman on TV, crying over some damn kangaroos. She does not realise that all of the transport and tourist industry and a majority of Australians are relieved and celebrating the fact that there will hopefully be fewer road deaths caused by these vermin who insist on engaging with motorists in fast moving vehicles on highways and roads in general. I honestly believe there are people out there who would rather see a person die than an animal injured, let alone killed. Unfortunately this tells us a great deal about Aussies and their priorities. God help us all. Posted by ALTRAV, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 11:00:19 AM
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Hi Albie and Altrav,
The first point is to thank Ablie for confirming that STATE AGENCIES (not political parties) are in charge of fuel reduction. I’ll also freely admit they’ve not been funded enough under our Liberal governments! Conservation concerns for some areas are legitimate. Not all Aussie Bush responds the same way to “Hazard Reduction” burns. Sometimes it will just make it worse! So even from a HAZARD REDUCTION point of view, there’s still way too much old-man armchair thumping going on here and not enough humility to try and get your heads around the complicated science. Ecosystems management is NOT the same as burning through all the fuel in your woodshed! The 1939 Royal Commission findings:- __________________________________ "The Condition of the Forests.—When the early settlers came to what is now this State, they found for the greater part a clean forest. Apparently, for many years before their arrival, the forest had not been scourged by fire. They were in their natural state. Their canopies had prevented the growth of scrub and bracken to any wide extent. They were open and traversible by men, beasts and wagons. Compared with their present condition, they were safe. But the white men introduced fire to the forests. They burned the floor to promote the growth of grass and to clear it of scrub which had grown where, for whatever reason, the balance of nature had broken down. The fire stimulated grass growth ; but it encouraged scrub growth far more. Thus was begun the cycle of destruction which can not be arrested in our day. The scrub grew and flourished, fire was used to clear it, the scrub grew faster and thicker, bush fires, caused by the careless or designing hand of man, ravaged the forests; the canopy was impaired, more scrub grew and prospered, and again the cleansing agent, fire, was used. And so to-day in places where our forefathers rode, driving their herds and flocks before them, the wombat and the wallaby are hard put to it to find passage through the bush." http://www.voltscommissar.net/docs/Leonard_Stretton-1939_Bush_Fires_Royal_Commission_Report.pdf Posted by Max Green, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 1:01:04 PM
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