If the world's going to end in 12 years due to climate change, then why are banks still lending people money for home loans with repayments over 30 years?
Surely if the world's coming to an end they wont be able to pay the money back right?
You'd think people might think something smells a bit off;
But no you can't mess with their religion.

AC

There is an enlightening article in the lead page of OLO today with the answer.
It's the cricket wats causn it!
:-)
Dan

Armchair,

We have climate proxies for approximated climate situations BEFORE modern instrumentation. So ... like ... get a clue?

Also, you're sounding REALLY ignorant about what the climate science says. The world doesn't end in 12 years — that's a tired, tattered, telltale of a straw-man you're using there.

12 years is the estimate for when we cross the 1.5 degrees carbon budget. It's when we're committed to 1.5 degrees. The natural feedbacks will take quite a while to kick in. Then, because BIG OIL OWN YOUR BRAIN and many people like you, people like Donald Trump, we'll just keep burning their product. You know, because cigarette companies also sowed FUD about the dangers of using their product. There's money to be made! And you're their rumour mill.

So we'll cross the 2 degree commitment point, and AGAIN we'll have to wait to SEE the actual feedbacks.

But every 5 or 10 years we'll have fires like this, faster, hotter, nastier. Until denier farts like you start dying of old age, or (heaven forbid!) realising you were wrong.

Young people are being raised who have studied the science, and will just plain WINCE when they hear irrelevant old farts like you espousing your MAD theories. They'll wince like they have to wipe something nasty off the bottom of their shoe. And they're right to! Nothing you've said makes any sense. It's born from a paranoid kind of madness. I hope you grow out of it soon.

Max, well, well, well, we have a new climate Messiah.
I'm amused when another "expert" comes on board.
You have no cred or proof of what YOU profess, and demand from AC.
You say the oil companies are behind the push back against GW and CC, just like the cigarette companies of old.
Well what if, certainly not me, you were told that this whole thing is part of a bigger agenda, and that it is all contrived.
NO?
Well it's true.
Before you ask for proof or links or whatever, I don't care, if you don't believe me, big deal.
You are not an authority, neither here nor anywhere else, and before you come blubbering back with some comment suggesting you are a scientist, I caution you before hand and give you fair warning.
I and others have rejected the notion that 11,000 scientists agree with GW and CC, blah, blah, blah.
The same way it is impossible to get 11,000 scientists to sign off on something, so it is impossible for you to question any opposition to the same thing.
If you don't know how the world works and how there is filth and greed and averace being nurtured and allowed to thrive and grow amongst the elite, and their plans for us, then you will not, cannot, must not, comment on such related topics as this.
Something I heard from a scientist being interviewed on radio, some years ago.
Basically, he said: "how arrogant is mankind, to think they can change or affect the health and state of something the size of the Earth".
You imply that oil companies are pushing against GW and CC.
I ask, HOW?
You know as well as others, or you should know, that this is just another money grab.
As the saying goes: FOLLOW THE MONEY!
And I don't mean the oil companies, I mean the GW and CC pushers.
When you have done some research on this then come back with some truths, not FACTS!
Personally, I've had enough of the facts, you know that the facts can be manipulated.

Hasbeen,

You are beating around the bush. Just answer the question: list the probable cause and explain it.

If you or anyone else cannot add to the list I have started then we must assume that you concur with the burning of fossil fuels as being the only probable and explainable cause of global warming over the past 240 years that has given rise to the 1 deg C above the pre-industrial level.

Mr O, it is common knowledge now, that GW is a natural phenomenon that is part of a cycle the world has been experiencing for millions of years.
The Earth's path and it's variations relative to the sun and time are the main drivers of what the climate change believers should be focusing on.
The little CO2 we have contributed to the total amount is insignificant, by any measure.
Now on the subject of CO2.
It turns out that we could do with a little more of it, and that it's a GOOD thing, which helps our flora, which includes food production.
Before anyone starts pointing the finger at us in accusing us of any wrong doing, let's look into the accusers first, then we will know the truth and get the full picture.
We are told that the earth is warming, so what?
It's been warming and cooling for as long as it has existed, and it will keep doing so, as long as the sun keeps burning.
Any person will tell you that we are totally dependent on the sun for our very existence.
Without it we are dead.
Concerns over CO2 are unfounded, as we need it.
Just think about hot houses and what they are used for.
No, all this GW and CC crap is about money.
The fact that I don't know how it all fits in does not diminish the existence of a major lie and false-hood, perpetrated by some of the most vial animals in the world, for financial and social gain.