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Global warming garbage.

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Some of us have been following this global cooling, global warming, climate change , ozone layer hysteria for many decades. If it was even partly true none of us would be here today. Wake up stupid!
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 7 January 2020 12:07:26 PM
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Runner wrote: "the bottom line is you need to be extremely dumb or deceitful to think man can control the climate."

What if we NUKE OURSELVES? Yes, just as Mt Pinatubo blew all that muck up high in the air and lowered global temperatures...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Pinatubo#Global_environmental_effects

... so too nuclear bombs could slow down global warming. Indeed, Scientific American published a study that said just a small exchange of 25 Hiroshima sized nukes from Pakistan and the same from India (total of 50) would delay global warming a decade! If we REALLY went at it in a BIG exchange between Russia and America and China, the Northern Hemisphere would hit an ice age in a nuclear winter, and BILLIONS would starve to death!

Nasty scenarios.

But the same science of Solar Radiation Management could be used directly. SRM is the SAME SCIENCE that generated the FALSE 1970's warnings that an Ice Age was coming. It was a valid scientific question, but the maths was wrong, and the scientist involved recanted his paper within a few years. The vast majority of climate papers from the 70's predicted warming.

We could pump dust up long hoses attached to huge balloons, or just fly wide-winged jets up 20km.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_radiation_management

The problem? If try to get rid of ALL our man-made warming this way, we could cancel the Indian monsoon and a billion Asians go without water for crops.

Or as Fester says, we could sequester CO2 in ocean fertilisation (which I would love to see trailed more, despite whatever Naomi Klein says) or even Tim Flannery's giant seaweed farms idea, which also stimulates the ocean food chain and could feed a world of 10 billion all the seafood they could eat. http://eclipsenow.wordpress.com/saving-the-oceans/

Why? Because it lowers CO2.
Because CO2 traps heat.
This is science.

Seriously RUNNER, have you read this?
"I’m a Climate Scientist Who Believes in God. Hear Me Out. Global warming will strike hardest against the very people we’re told to love: the poor and vulnerable. Dr. Hayhoe is a professor and co-directs the Climate Center at Texas Tech University."
http://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/31/opinion/sunday/climate-change-evangelical-christian.html
Posted by Max Green, Tuesday, 7 January 2020 12:16:57 PM
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I don't know why people are so lazy.
They are prepared to accept a convenient lie than to look for the truth.
Of course intensity, severity of these current fires are directly due to the GREENS, and no one else.
I don't care what smart arse attention seeking idiots with personal agenda think or say, they are irrelevant to the facts or in fact anything they themselves are not a party to.
So when dick wads like Piers Morgan et al, try to make out they know anything about anything, I would be the first one to point out that their job is reading a cue card, that's it.
They are experts at NOTHING, their personal opinion is a total irrelevance and they should be reminded of that.
As for trying to score brownie points by attempting to put a minister of a foreign govt down, based on his personal opinion of the matter, rates the guy as low as you can get.
Now if you're going to believe everything you read and hear, then I am going to balance the debate back into the realm of truth:
The GREENS ARE responsible for this disaster.
The PM did NOT fly out of the country ignoring the fires.
Once the status of the fires had been determined and accepted as such, then and only then, does the appropriate chain of command inform the PM, in accordance with proto-col.
The PM knows that this GW, CC BS is a beat-up, and I think he knows why too.
He, like most other leaders are advised to go along with the peoples mood, or at least to be seen to, if they want to retain their status, and all it's perks.
That's OK, because he knows things we don't and he doesn't dare go against public opinion, even though he knows the public is wrong.
So the reason the GREENS are responsible for this disaster is because labor needed to ensure their success at the ballot box, in doing so they preferenced the GREENS, and that is how it all started to go wrong.
Posted by ALTRAV, Tuesday, 7 January 2020 12:30:02 PM
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The Greens are certainly behind the ferocity of bushfires - impeding proper land management, clearing and burn offs. But what about the moronic politicians who didn't have the guts to tell them where to go? The Greens are only a miserable minority, after all. There is far too much pandering to freaks and minorities in Australia. What the Greens have been allowed to get with is a disgrace. These fires will not be forgotten in a hurry; nor should the Green's contribution to them be forgotten by the major parties and the electorate.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 7 January 2020 12:44:09 PM
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Of course the fact that the vast majority of fires are lit by arsonist is ignored by the alarmist. If they were truely alarmed the arsonist would give them something concrete to deal with. But no keep up the hopelessly flawed narrative. By the way. Is the rain in Broome cause by man made climate change. If not why not as every event is interpreted by the alarmist through a false narrative.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 7 January 2020 1:04:43 PM
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THE GREENS DID IT?

Oh wow, you guys are just sooooooo duuuummmmb!

1. WHO IS IN CHARGE?

You guys sound like you don’t even know how the country you live in WORKS? Don't blame "The Greens" — it's just not a political power that authorises fuel reduction burns.

"He said the suggestion that The Greens had a “controlling voice or are an influence in any way” was not true. “It’s sort of wishful thinking because the reality is the Greens don’t have much power over fire management,” he said."
http://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/the-debate-over-hazard-reduction-burns-after-catastrophic-fires/news-story/c06b3e6f9bc7429128d03bdf18a40486

Fuel management burns are the responsibility of State public servants in Parks & Wildlife or Fire Agencies themselves.
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/12/is-there-really-a-green-conspiracy-to-stop-bushfire-hazard-reduction
http://www.ladbible.com/news/news-fire-brigade-dispels-the-rumour-that-greens-are-to-blame-for-bushfires-20200105
http://www.nationalparks.nsw.gov.au/conservation-programs/hazard-reduction-program
http://parks.des.qld.gov.au/managing/pdf/fire-mgmt-brochure.pdf

2. THE SCIENCE SAYS SOMETIMES BURNING DOESN'T WORK!
Uninformed broad-scale hazard reduction burns can change ecosystems, threaten species, and make future fires hotter!
http://theconversation.com/our-land-is-burning-and-western-science-does-not-have-all-the-answers-100331
http://theconversation.com/a-surprising-answer-to-a-hot-question-controlled-burns-often-fail-to-slow-a-bushfire-127022
Paragraph B of 1939 Royal Commission, here.
http://www.voltscommissar.net/docs/Leonard_Stretton-1939_Bush_Fires_Royal_Commission_Report.pdf

3. LIBERAL GOVERNMENT RECALCITRANCE!

The retired Fire Chief's with many lifetimes experience between them tried to meet with Scott Morrison back in April and May 2019, and warn him that these fires would be unlike anything Australia had EVER seen in scale, and were asking for more services and aircraft. They were rejected.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-14/former-fire-chief-calls-out-pm-over-refusal-of-meeting/11705330

A strong negative Southern Annular Mode was detected in Sept 2019.
http://theconversation.com/a-hot-and-dry-australian-summer-means-heatwaves-and-fire-risk-ahead-127990

EVEN IN DECEMBER SCOTT MORRISON ACTED LIKE EVERYTHING WAS NORMAL!

10th December 2019: "The prime minister has rejected calls for more help for firefighters as the New South Wales bushfire crisis is expected to worsen.... Asked about concerns over how long the tens of thousands of volunteer firefighters – many who have been away from work for weeks now – were expected to continue without pay, Morrison said they “want to be there”.
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/dec/10/scott-morrison-rejects-calls-for-more-help-saying-volunteer-firefighters-want-to-be-there

So DO THE MATH! Whose fault is it really, hmmmm?
Posted by Max Green, Tuesday, 7 January 2020 2:57:00 PM
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