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They are after our cars.

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Aiden, I appreciate your attempts at trying to remove any doubts or concerns I may have regarding Artificial Intelligence.
But I have had enough to do with electronics and vehicles, both on and off road, on water, and in the sky.
And as much as I am not a computer or electronic friendly guy, I have come to distrust them.
Just one model of car, a very expensive car, had so many issues that the owner had to get rid of it.
The sunroof would suddenly shut or open, for no reason, the seat would suddenly reset itself for no reason.
And the list went on.
My brother just bought a new Jaguar EV, the one that looks like an SUV.
From the first day it started playing up.
It sometimes decided not to power up, (start).
It would stop at the most inconvenient of moments and places.
A few times, while waiting for the dealership to come to assist, he would check to see it's state as he had nothing to do but wait.
Low and behold, it powered up as if nothing had happened, and the list goes on.
The cat had been back seven times in the first, (less than a) month.
This one cost $161,000.
I expect perfect reliability from a $161,000 car.
The problem was, of course, electronics, computers, and so on.
I certainly will not entertain a "fly-by-wire-car", that much I can guarantee you now.
Posted by ALTRAV, Friday, 3 January 2020 10:20:12 PM
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To add to what I wrote earlier on arrangements between oil companies
and motor manufacturers re electric cars, this is a recent news item
in the oil publication http://tinyurl.com/thmwmso

$200 billion in shale debt due in next four years. Roughly $200
billion in North American oil and gas debt will mature in the next
four years, according to the Wall Street Journal, which includes $41
billion due this year. More than 200 companies have already filed for
bankruptcy since 2015, but that number will continue to rise as
drillers struggle amid the crushing weight of debt. The huge
obligations will force drillers to cut spending, potentially bringing
the shale boom to a halt.

The affect on US oil buying will be a big increase in their buying on
the world market. The tight oil (fracking) industry has not got under
way in Australia because of economic reality. Just so you are aware.
Posted by Bazz, Saturday, 4 January 2020 9:28:32 AM
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Altrav,
One of the early problems with car electronics was
Radio Frequency interference.
There are a multitude of incidents and it took a while for Bosch and
others to be instructed on what they needed to do.
One interesting case, I was driving up the road from Austria to Berlin
and noticed these wires across the road about every 3 metres.
I asked a local what they were about.
To the left was Radio Free Europe, 100KW plus and to the right was
Czechoslovakia. The German NRMA had to station tow trucks at each
end of the section to tow the newer cars through the beam.
The wires were there as a partial Faraday Shield.

Another incident, a car alongside transmitted on HF and the car next
to it would speed up or stop. That was in the US.
These days new designs are put into very high intensity fields to
confirm no problems but it has not been a complete success as they test at UHF.
A common Australian fault on Holdens was the blinkers would start a rapid flashing.
Also transmitting would set radar detectors beeping.

A very useful fault was at the toll gates on the harbour bridge,
As you get to the toll gate and were expected to put the coins in the
basket, you press the transmit button and the light went green and the gate rose.
Taxi drivers were also a wake up to it.
There are a multitude of stories like that.
Posted by Bazz, Saturday, 4 January 2020 10:16:30 AM
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Bazz, thanks for that.
Now that's what I'm talking about, some truths.
I have always wondered about the link between EMR and cancer.
I don't recall the word cancer being used very often if at all, in the good ole' days.
Any living creature is vulnerable to EMR, it is invasive and even pervasive, and somehow, I feel it has spread very quickly and very severely, throughout society.
We already live in an EMR environment in our homes, when you consider you are encapsulated in a 'live' and operating/active electrical field.
Now we are going to be exposed to it in our new EV cars.
When you consider the distances some of the electronic signals can travel, it's no wonder some of us are very wary of mediums that are vulnerable to being affected by such spurious electronic signals intended for one thing, yet end up also affecting the medium your in, like your car.
More so, 'driver-less cars' technology.
Can't wait to see how many people get killed or badly affected by that technology.
Posted by ALTRAV, Saturday, 4 January 2020 11:09:11 AM
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Altrav, there is a US city where self drive taxis are in use.
You dial them up and it comes to your door.
You have already told it where to go so get in and shut the door and
away you go.
The insurance co are watching closely. A million miles or so operated
and last I read no accidents so an accident rate better than driver
equipped taxis.
I will try and find the city and put it up here as the above is from memory.
Posted by Bazz, Saturday, 4 January 2020 1:21:12 PM
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Bazz, that would interest me, and possibly others too.
I remain skeptical, I believe it's only natural, for someone like me who has always been in control of my life, all my life, and of course, a driver-less car is something I won't be holding my breath or encouraging any time soon.
Posted by ALTRAV, Saturday, 4 January 2020 6:14:46 PM
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