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They are after our cars.

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Issy, I have read your defence for not providing evidence that football is a greater generator of pollution than motor sport.
Unfortunately after hours of thoughtful consideration of your defence....Nah, The black cap goes on the head, and your are awarded a PORKY MEDAL second class, for that one. Wear it with pride, your first for 2020. I am sure you will earn lots more in the year to come!
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 3 January 2020 12:08:00 AM
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Is Mise,
My experience of NSW roads is rather limited, but from what you're saying it sounds like they're very remiss.

What surprised me most about NSW roads is how many wide roads lacked medians and pocket lanes.
Posted by Aidan, Friday, 3 January 2020 1:09:29 AM
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ALTRAV,
Everyone has an emotional side, but mine doesn't prevent rational thought. Yours clearly does - you think you're an expert but you're really just an ignoramus who wilfully ignores the real world data because he thinks his delusions equate to the real world!

Apportioning blame in the hope that someone learns a valuable lesson is of little importance AFAIC. I'm not saying it shouldn't be done, but preventing the crash from happening in the first place is far more valuable. The idea that assigning blame is the ONLY base for decision making would be regarded as absurd by any engineer - engineers look at what can go wrong, what can prevent it from going wrong, and what can mitigate the consequences when something does go wrong.

What's most effective at preventing accidents varies from road to road. But limiting drivers' situational awareness to what's on the road is often undesirable from a safety perspective. And there are circumstances where designing the environment to make drivers more vigilant is the most effective way to reduce the number of accidents.

As for calling me a PC freak: them thar's fightin' words!

And it's not road users in general I call "road hogs" - it's those who don't recognise that cyclists have as much legal right to use the roads as they do. And they always have: they've been using those arteries since before cars dd. But now cycle lanes are being created so that cyclists don't have to mix with general traffic so much.

BTW I studied Civil Engineering and Transport Systems Engineering at uni, and my Road Safety Engineering lecturer usually drove to work.
Posted by Aidan, Friday, 3 January 2020 1:57:32 AM
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Paul,

If you can't see it then that's your problem not mine,I cannot give a reference to the campaign of the Green's predecessors as there was no Internet back then, but I was there and spoke out against the idea of banning/curtailing motor sport, you might ask the former Greens MP Ian Cohen for he was there as well.
Posted by Is Mise, Friday, 3 January 2020 9:28:12 AM
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Just to divert the thread a little here is a sequence of announcements
that I have noticed over the last say, five years.
I might be being super sensitive but it does ring some bells.

Actually I suspect that there has been an arrangement between oil
companies and motor manufacturers. Note the time sequence:
Shell & BP announce they are planning on how to get out of the oil industry;
Some car manufactures make serious entry to electric car market, Nissan and Mitsubishi.
Shell announces that chargers will be installed at every Shell station world wide.
Tesla announces major expansion of production facilities.
Next step almost all car manufacturers announce electric programs.
Electric generation industry scrambling for guidance and policy direction.

Now I may be imagining all this but I think the sequence is prethought out.
The oil industry may realise they cannot supply fuel for the existing
vehicle population plus the expected increase. So they started discussions with the car builders.

Many think there is an endless supply of oil but they should examine
what is happening in the tight oil industry. Financially not good and
the cost of exploration and development is excessive for all fields.
Posted by Bazz, Friday, 3 January 2020 9:54:37 AM
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Here is a link to a report that might shed some light on Shell's thinking.

http://tinyurl.com/rm6deq2

There you are Josephus, how much better than a 1/2 page of url.
Posted by Bazz, Friday, 3 January 2020 10:16:00 AM
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