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Democrats impeachment dilemma

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Banjo,

I am fully aware that "The Senate shall have the sole power to try all impeachments." This point seems to have escaped Pelosi and the democrats. However, the impeachment process has virtually no restrictions and requires a simple majority, and a hands the articles of impeachment (like an indictment) to the senate to try the impeachment.

What is clear is that the impeachment process has been blatantly partisan, procedurally biased and one sided and almost entirely based on hearsay.

It is also clear that your distaste for Trump as a person and his policies is your prime motivator for impeaching him which is synched with just about every left whinger.

The impeachment was raced through the congress giving republicans virtually no chance to debate because of its urgency, yet Pelosi is holding onto the articles because she knows that not only will it not succeed in the senate, but the judgement will excoriate the entire impeachment process. The longer she obstructs the senate, the more the democrats hypocrisy will be on display.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 30 December 2019 5:41:09 AM
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SR,
http://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trump-nyma-iq/
Snopes: A document discovered in May 2019 reveals that Donald Trump's IQ was measured at 73 during his high school years.

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Trump IQ test results discovered in former NYMA employee’s closet.
The result: 73
The results of an IQ test that President Donald Trump allegedly took during his first year at New York Military Academy have been discovered in a file box in a closet in Brooklyn. According to the test results, Trump’s IQ is 73.
The document, currently in the process of being authenticated, was discovered Thursday by William Askew, Jr. as he was cleaning out his late father’s apartment.
“Dad was the school counsellor at NYMA from 1955 to 1985. He didn’t administer these tests, but he was in charge of collecting them and sending them to the grading office,” said Askew.
Askew produced additional documents and photographs that confirm his father was indeed employed as school counsellor at NYMA at the same time Trump attended the military prep school.
“I don’t think this should be news to anybody,” said Askew. “The guy’s clearly a total moron.”

While we aren’t entirely sure where this story originated, we turned up no mention of it on any credible news website. In fact, we couldn’t find the story published anywhere. The only version that appears to exist is the image version shown above. In other words, it appears that this story was fabricated specifically for the creation of this meme.
Furthermore, the images included in the fake clipping do not show a man by the name of “William Askew Jr.” or Askew’s late father, who was supposedly Trump’s former school counsellor.
The photograph claimed to be that of Askew Jr. was taken from a stock photography website:
Posted by Josephus, Monday, 30 December 2019 7:30:21 AM
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The democrats have belatedly realised that any impeachment process in the senate will open up a whole bunch of them to examination & cross examination, which many of them will not survive as politicians.

If there is any justice, it will put a few of them behind bars, so many are now running very scared. They have realised their past can not stand the scrutiny it will be subjected to if the impeachment goes to the senate.
Posted by Hasbeen, Monday, 30 December 2019 11:45:38 AM
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Dear Josephus,

Glad to see you are utilising Snopes. Pretty good isn't it.

For the record I don't think Trump has an IQ of 73 either. However he sure as hell ain't in the league of the more intelligent presidents, Obama included.

Dear Hasbeen,

Rubbish. I should ask the question though, for a proper process should the democrats be able to have Rudi, one of the central figures in this, testify at the impeachment proceedings?
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 30 December 2019 4:50:17 PM
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Banjo,

I am aware of what is in the US constitution, and don't believe that it contradicts anything I have said so far or indicates why Pelosi thinks she can or should influence the senate trial?

Secondly, I think that you will find the polls have swung significantly.

SR, Joe,

A standard tactic of the left whingers is to claim that every conservative is stupid. On OLO after claiming that Abbott was an idiot, they couldn't explain how he came to be a Rhodes scholar. Since then every left whinge psychologist has diagnosed Trump for a range of mental illnesses without ever having met him.

As for IQ, any level below 80 would be barely functional, so yet another left whinge feeble smear attempt. However, given that he accepted into and qualified in economics from a prestigious university would indicate statistically that his IQ was > 130. Good but not stellar. (top 2.5%) That he made $bns and won an unwinnable election to be president would indicate that it was higher than just 130, but 156 would certainly be a stretch.

Obama would certainly be smarter, but then IQ is not the sole predictor of performance.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 31 December 2019 5:51:04 AM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

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You wrote :

1. « What is clear is that the impeachment process has been blatantly partisan, procedurally biased and one sided and almost entirely based on hearsay »

The procedure in the House of Representatives was not just blatant partisanry. It included the presentation of documentary evidence as well as testimony under oath of a certain number of witnesses.

However, it would be naïve to consider that the procedure was not tainted by partisanry. This was probably due to Trump forbidding his staff, assistants, advisers, and other key witnesses from testifying. The President himself was also invited to testify but declined the invitation.

The refusal of all these important eye-witness Republican figures to participate in the impeachment inquiry no doubt gave the impression that it was, as you observe, “procedurally biased”.

It could well be for the same reason that you also have the impression that the impeachment process was “almost entirely based on hearsay”. Perhaps you would be kind enough to indicate what exactly it is that you consider to be “hearsay”.

2. « It is also clear that your distaste for Trump as a person and his policies is your prime motivator for impeaching him which is synched with just about every left whinger »
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Trump is certainly not the sort of person I admire, but I have nothing against him personally and have no problem accepting him as the perfectly legitimate, democratically elected President of the United States.

You are wrong in thinking that I “impeached him”. I am not a member of the House of Representatives of the United States and had nothing to do with it.

Had I been a member I would have voted on the basis of the evidence and on that alone. If I considered it was insufficient, I would have voted against impeachment not for it – even if it meant my exclusion from whatever party I represented. The inverse is equally true.

Also, I have nothing against “left whingers” nor “right whingers”. Both probably consider they have good reason to be “whingers”.

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Tuesday, 31 December 2019 8:27:22 AM
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