Belly, "Hasbeen walk with me, think about your words.
See to me every time you use [miss use] the term lefty you give all the evidence needed, to claim you do not understand what you are talking about"

Now Belly just what do you think I don't understand.

It is totally obvious that anyone on the left hates [fears] Trump. There is no question about it. The Democrats have been desperately trying to find something, anything they could pin on Trump, & have come up with zero, zilch. We could almost use hatred of Trump as defining who is a lefty.

That does not stop them trying. It probably does prove that Trump is the cleanest president, ever. You call him petty names which diminishes you not Trump, then try to tell me I don't understand. The problem is I understand too well, & so do far too many yanks for the lefties liking, hence these witch hunts. Using the full resources of the FBI & justice department they still got nothing.

Irrational hatred can do great harm, particularly to the hater, & it is destroying the Democrats, & their fellow travelers. Just look at the ratbag policies of much of the democrats & this is totally obvious.

SR,

In any "trial" the defense is entitled to call anyone relevant to their case, and as the call Trump made for which he is on "trial" was about the Bidens, calling Joe and Hunter Biden is entirely within his rights and blocking the calling of these witnesses made the congressional impeachment as much of a kangaroo court as you claimed the senate trial would be.

In the same thread, the senate is entitled to call both both Bidens, the whistleblower, Adam Schiff and pretty much anyone else.

Secondly, if the evidence and witnesses brought forward in the impeachment produced evidence so damning that the case was a slam dunk (as you claimed that anyone that thought otherwise was retarded) and impeachment was urgently needed to remove Trump,then calling additional witnesses would be pointless, and a waste of the senate's valuable time.

Either way the left whinge democrats are left logically twisting in the wind.

Either way the left whinge democrats are left logically twisting in the wind.
Shadow Minister,
We have the exact same problem here !

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As I understand it, the House of Representatives majority leader, Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats are satisfied that Donald Trump will go down in history as having been impeached by the House of Representatives of the United States.

Pelosi declared that the black mark of impeachment on Trump’s record will not be erased – despite the declaration by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell that Trump will be acquitted by the Republican-led Senate: "We will have a largely partisan outcome", he said.

McConnell added : « I'm not an impartial juror. This is a political process. There is not anything judicial about it. Impeachment is a political decision ».

So there you have it : in the eyes of the Republican, Mitch McConnell, the up-coming Senate trial of the President of the United States has nothing to do with justice. No need for impartiality. It is simply a question of partisan politics.

It appears that the elaborate mechanism of checks and balances written into the American Constitution by the founding fathers of the world’s leading democracy is not as water-tight as they imagined : it is open to interpretation.

If that proves to be the case, then representative democracy is clinically dead. And the artificial life-sustaining mechanism that allows it to suvive will be switched off definitively sometime in January.

With best wishes to all for a happy and successful Year, 2020.

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Banjo,

Congress made this impeachment a mockery by running it as a partisan star chamber / kangaroo court where the democrats have been calling for impeachment since Trump was elected and didn't manage to convince all their own party let alone not a single republican.

The "stain" on Trump's reputation will have all the impact of being slapped with wet lettuce and Trump may even end up wearing it like a badge of honour.

Banjo,

From the wall street journal:

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/the-wall-street-journal/us-speaker-nancy-pelosi-delivers-democrat-base-a-circus/news-story/dc1536e22c7a4335f98bb22d01a06200

"Speaker Nancy Pelosi now insists she won’t send the impeachment articles to the Senate until its majority leader, Mitch McConnell, agrees to her conditions for Trump’s trial. She’s threatening to raise the acrimony to a new level...Article one gives the house “the sole power of impeachment” and the Senate “the sole power to try all impeachments.” By attempting to prevent the process from proceeding unless McConnell acquiesces to her demands for additional witnesses and documents, Pelosi is attempting to intrude on the Senate’s constitutional prerogatives and create a role for herself in the trial that the Founders didn’t intend.

Pelosi presumes to be the arbiter of whether the Senate has a “fair process.” She told reporters: “So far, we haven’t seen anything that looks fair to us.” This is more than an invitation to McConnell to hear her out — it’s a demand that he clear his plans with her before proceeding. She imagines herself as Ulysses S. Grant at Fort Donelson in February 1862, and while McConnell is a Kentuckian like Simon Bolivar Buckner, his position is stronger than that of the surrounded Confederate general — strong enough to beat back Pelosi’s demand of unconditional surrender."