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Is Bruce Pascoe an Indigenous Australian?
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Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 24 December 2019 2:48:53 PM
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Steele,
Well, you have the author and verification as requested, so go ahead and defend Pascoe; if you can. Point out all the author's mistakes and misinformation; go on, you can do it!! Pascoe has made his own bed of nails, let's see if he can lie on it, he seems pretty good at lying. Posted by Is Mise, Tuesday, 24 December 2019 3:28:52 PM
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SR,
You can't get it through your head, that none of the original observations, find them in whatever form - their original form or Pascoe's - as you will, confirm that there was any farming in pre-Invasion Australia. And common bloody sense suggests that nobody had yet found any evidence otherwise, unless we bend the meaning of the word 'farming' out of all recognition. Nobody has found any cultivating tools, or evidence of an industry making such tools. Nobody has found any evidence of stone towns and villages or fence-lines. No ethnologist or missionary or linguist has written about farming stories or songs or rituals or even farming words in any Aboriginal language. In short, nobody has found any evidence of anything that was unambiguously 'farming'. And it defies belief, in fact it courts insanity, to assert that all traces of farming and towns were destroyed by some sort of strictly-oral conspiracy. We come back to the simple principle: the absence of evidence of farming may actually demonstrate the absence of evidence of farming, and no more than that. Joe Posted by loudmouth2, Tuesday, 24 December 2019 3:29:06 PM
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Loudmouth, I applaud your patience and commitment, but boy SR is really stretching the boundaries of reason.
I only ask, if the blacks were such good farmers, why have they not continued even after the white fella came and started settling in? I have wondered why, with all the promoting and bluster that has been given them by some, including that farce of binge bull or whatever the hell it was that was discovered recently, that someone, also seeking fame and fortune suggested they had discovered early signs/remains of blacks living in round houses made of rocks. Another load of rubbish. I tried relentlessly to convince Foxy and others that at the very least they might have been remains of attempts by other explorers to settle here and were either killed or driven away. The same goes with this merry go-round you and SR are on. From what I see, there is NO history or evidence AT ALL to suggest the blacks farmed in a way we would recognise as farming today. I believe for farming be effective, even back then, you needed domesticated animals of a stature able to do work, and able to be controlled and directed by humans/blacks. Again no evidence of that because there were no animals that were suitable. So we come back to the blacks wandering, following the tucker around, seeds where ever they grew and animals wherever they roamed or went. So I've said before, why is it in allegedly, 60,000 years, there is absolutely no trace of anything worth hanging a hat on. Historically, all we have is a bunch people telling us this is a sacred site, that is a sacred site, that's a meeting place, oh and that's a sacred site as well. Basically everything's a sacred site or belongs to the blacks, when the blacks were nomadic and did not believe in owning anything more than they could carry. So this farcical of a joke the blacks are a party to, is on us and all because of ignorance, greed and power. Native title? Yeah right! Posted by ALTRAV, Tuesday, 24 December 2019 4:47:18 PM
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Pascoe's bogus historical and personal ancestral claims have been debunked by Quadrant Magazine:
http://quadrant.org.au/opinion/bennelong-papers/2019/11/the-epicentre-of-our-history/ "The issue of Pascoe’s own Aboriginal background has also been subject to extensive research. Pascoe claims that he is an indigenous writer of mixed Bunorong, Yuin and Aboriginal Tasmanian (Palawa) heritage. However, Pascoe’s statements about himself are inconsistent, claiming in some interviews his Aboriginality comes from his father’s line, but in others from his mother’s grandmother, and in yet others from both sides of his family. An associate of the Dark Emu Exposed group, the Perth retired author Jan Holland, has researched Pascoe’s family records and made a persuasive case that his ancestry is all white, indeed, all English, and that he is not an Aborigine at all. She backs her claim with a long and thorough genealogical study containing 5500 words of text plus 75 original documents she has published online. A professional genealogist within the group checked her work and confirmed it is accurate. It can all be found on the website Australian History – Truth Matters." [Continued next post] Posted by FrankU, Tuesday, 24 December 2019 10:50:12 PM
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"Holland’s genealogy traces the ancestral lines of Pascoe as far back as it needs to establish whether his Aboriginality is authentic or not. Once a line of descent comes to an English-born forbear, the genealogy goes no further, since the possibility of an Aboriginal heritage ends there. Here is Pascoe’s family lineage in these terms:
Bruce Pascoe. Born 11 October, 1947, Richmond Victoria Ancestors on the paternal side of his family, and where born Father Alfred Francis Pascoe 1916 – 1989. Victoria Grandparents Joseph Harold Pascoe 1891 – 1933. Victoria Claudina Alice Palmer 1883 – 1967. Victoria Great-grandparents Francis Pascoe 1859 – 1935. Victoria Elizabeth Jane Hall 1868 – 1952. Victoria Alfred William Palmer 1870 – 1938. Tasmania Rebecca Arnold 1870 – 1944. Tasmania Great-great-grandparents Francis Pascoe 1814 – 1864. Cornwall, England Jane Hampton 1827 – 1875. Cornwall, England John Hall 1832 – 1881. Northumberland, England Elizabeth Law b. abt. 1841 Durham, England Thomas Edward Palmer 1830 – 1906. Devon, England *Alice Berry 1837 – 1861. Tasmania William Arnold 1834 – 1914. Dorset, England *Emily Maria Berry 1846 – 1919 Tasmania Great-great-great-grandparents Joseph Berry 1811 – 1880. Lancashire, England Sarah Wright 1819 – 1875. Suffolk, England *Alice Berry and Emily Maria Berry are sisters – hence the same parents. Ancestors on the maternal side of his family, and where born Mother Una Gloria Cowland Smith 1919 – ?. Victoria Grandparents John Smith 1864 – 1952. Leicestershire, England Cecil Gertrude Cowland 1875 – 1963. Victoria Great-grandparents William Unwin Cowland 1824 – 1900. Essex, England Sarah Matthews 1847 – 1879. Staffordshire, England In short, there is no Aboriginal line of descent in any of Pascoe’s forebears. So it is not only his history that is bogus, but also his public biography." Posted by FrankU, Tuesday, 24 December 2019 10:50:41 PM
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You write;
“The author is "Jan Holland and the research team" and is probably verifiable but there are many Jan Hollands on the net.”
Well 'Jan Holland' has been described online as a Perth retired author of camping books, a South Australian researcher, and Bolt has now elevated him/her to a 'prominent genealogist'.
The only facebook page even closely resembling this person is of a WA woman who wants national parks opened up and mosques shut down.
It makes one certainly curious about who the research team might consist of.
Anyway just another right wing nutter seems to match what we know so far, that is if it really is a real person.
Do you have anything further?
Dear loudmouth2,
Still no second attempt at an example of Pascoe's supposed embellishments after the first one crashed and burned so spectacularly. Given you claim them to be widespread it should have been easy.