Why? well see Muslims not all not near all, do not want it too
Not enough to drop the middle eastern desert dress, not enough, some, to understand our faith is not theirs but we have every right to be whatever we want
Separatism hurts them more than us
A total belief far too many have, their God is the only true one, harms them more than us
Watch the bitter racism this thread brings but too see other places they use to talk in their own langadges about us
Nothing wrong with integration
If the UN wants one world it must stop creating silly things like this

Belly,
The over-educated simpledoms think it does !

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2006/06/22/the-great-divide-how-westerners-and-muslims-view-each-other/

Post ww2 migration worked, we gained good people and too learned a great deal from them
They kept their culture and soon ours as well
Why the need for change, who is behind multi cultures in one country
Be honest, some from the Muslim faith, convinced their God it the true one, will never integrate
If the target was one world one people it failed
What was the target?
Can we see the truth if we in say Saudi Arabia tried converting some to Christianity we would soon be dead?
Minorities , those who are the real reason this did not work, are in fact as racist as the KKK towards us in our country
We need better some integration is worth looking at

Belly,
> Not enough to drop the middle eastern desert dress,
One feature of multiculturalism is that people can wear what they like. Dropping traditional clothes is NOT an objective of multiculturalism, so shouldn't be used to judge its success or failure.

> not enough, some, to understand our faith is not theirs but we have every right to be whatever we want
Freedom of religion, including freedom to change religion, is one of the cornerstones of multiculturalism. Failure to accept it is a failure of our education system and of our immigration screening rather than a failure of multiculturalism.

>A total belief far too many have, their God is the only true one, harms them more than us
As a Christian, I now find myself lumped in the "them" category. Why do you think my religion harms me?

>Nothing wrong with integration
Nothing wrong with integration itself, but plenty wrong with trying to force it on people.

>If the UN wants one world it must stop creating silly things like this
It's one world whether you like it or not, but you seem to have completely misunderstood what the UN's role is.

Christ, Belly, nobody is forcing you to wear a hijab or speak any other language or eat funny food. As Aidan says, you - and every other person in Australia, whether you like it or not - can wear what they like, speak how they like, eat what they like, fart how they like.

Nobody is forcing anybody, but of course, most migrants and refugees (there's a difference, Belly) know that they have to learn English, gain a measure of employable skills and stay out of trouble with the law.

And if every Muslim woman wore 'Australian clothes', what then ? You would complain that they're stealing our way of life ? And now that they are, how to round them up and keep them out of sight ? If it works for the Chinese and how they're treating the Uighur and Kazakhs, why not do the same with all foreigners here, isolate them, separate them, they're plotting to inter-marry anyway and steal our young women - is that it ? Is your bottom line that they shouldn't be here at all ? Well, maybe not all, only the darker ones shouldn't be ? And the ones with funny eyes ? Who deliberately dress different just to piss Belly off ?

As far as I am concerned, multiculturalism is working: it always takes time, a generation or so. Of course, there are minor problems, MINOR problems, if any at all, as there has been with every group since 1788. But together we'll work through those. Enjoy the ride

Joe

Aiden/Loudmouth try thinking like the true bigots
We have plenty, they even here, try to tell us every Muslim should be deported and banned
My thought remains my view, burqa is something men force on women, it FGM too is harming our ability to get along with some Muslims
Be nice damn me for an opinion you do not like
But why for God's sake tell me why, we stopped integration and tried the fraud some make multiculturalism?
I remain convince SOME ear the burka to express difference
And too here and world wide an end is coming to the separatism we see as a result of this madness

loudmouth2,
Your last post is just one big load of bull$hit & a disgustingly insidious attempt to distort what the real issue is ! That is my opinion !

Multiculturalism began, for Australia, in 1788.

Multiculturalism began, for Australia, in 1788.
is Mise,
Wrong ! It was there long before then ! 1788 merely was the beginning of recording events in English.

I believe we have a perfect right to not only expect integration, but to demand it of anyone who wants to come here, live in our country, become a citizen, & take advantage of what we have built.

No one should be given permanent residency, & never citizenship unless they can display they have integrated.

I knew on starting this debate some would find they dislike me
Others would wonder how this lefty idiot ever found the truth
Let me be clear, it is my view others, [you name them] including the UN came up with the bright idea we can live as one but with multiple cultures, each to be respected
But consider this, post World War Two migrants grandchildren, in numbers equal to any other, name multiculturalism a failure
Market days and boy I go to many, know heaps of stall holders from around the world, are full of such folk willing to tell me we have ruined our country
Look with eyes wide open for just a minute, see Denmark, it has banned the Burka, said it is not part of our culture
See the slums of France, or come home look at the Grandville area in Sydney. not Muslims, Christian Lebanesse [ ten even twenty years never worked living on our social security,
Tell me what was wrong with integration
How can, you tell me, extreme Islam [and it is here in numbers] ever mix with us
Wait, tragedy is coming, it truly is, we will suffer an act of terrorism, maybe many, and know then if not now every countrys in the world can not kill its culture because a few think it would be nice

Don't worry everybody, things will be a lot different when China takes over.

If language is the measure of cultural determination I would definitely say that Australia is more bicultural than multicultural: Sino- and Anglo-. Look around the big cities, especially Sydney where one has an option of speaking and reading in either English or Chinese.

I was looking at Sydney Airport website last night. Yes I had the choice: I could either view it in Chinese or English. There was no French option, no Italian option, no German option, etc. Just English or Chinese. Simply because almost half the population of Sydney is of Chinese descent, with most using Chinese as their preferred language. I think it was Chomsky who said language was the only pure form of culture. Anyone?

Dear Belly,

You are always speaking truthfully. There is much merit in the things you have to say. You are like me, we call a spade a shovel.

Individual,

"Multiculturalism began, for Australia, in 1788.
is Mise,
Wrong ! It was there long before then ! 1788 merely was the beginning of recording events in English"

In which language were they previously recorded and where can I get a translation?

I agree with Hasbeen, if people don't like our ways then don't come here

is Mise,
There are paintings, there are records by none other than Mathew Flinders & other such brave & competent explorers who found evidence of pre-European contact i.e. multiculturalism here.
The Maccassans visited Northern Australia long before the others & then there were the Gwion Gwion who also left evidence (Bradshaw Paintings).
Small scale multiculturalism but multiculturalism nevertheless. Even the Aborigines had different cultures hence their regular clashes with each other.

I could bring to the discussion hundreds of things proving others visited here long before Cook
Not one of them, in any way, contributes to the modern Australia's needed debate on Multiculturalism vs integration
We can toss around all types of be nice calls
But I offer the post world war two migration and those it broght here, made us the country we are
Why did we need to change
Too the great grand children of that mass migration hold the same concerns I do
Keep their culture but show more respect for ours
Our culture need not be a victim of someone's intention to form one world one people

People continue to make the age-old mistake of referring to race when it actually is culture.

What does "integrate" mean?

mikk,
Integrate is when the Left gets its way at the ballot box !

Multicultural works for People schooled in the diversity of Western thinking, it does not work for those who believe Western thought is corrupt, and must be changed to monoculture Eastern thought. Some immigrants have come clearly to confront the Crusaders as they call them, and overcome them, which means, they have not healed from the scars of the Crusades. They are backward thinking to Eastern laws enforced by a cruel war Lord 1,400 years ago. It is below their pride to submit to the Crusader laws, and would rather die than adjust.

People are asking if multiculturalism works as if it was designed with some specific purpose in mind.

So for me that begs the question: Why was multiculturalism adopted?

Individual put some thought in to your one liners please
OK so we want to know what integration is or was
It is or was what Islamic countrys would demand of us if we moved there
It is what took place here, post world war two migrants both integrated and kept their own culture
Be honest, not truly thing about this, multiculturalism seems, to be a word used to tell us to accept Muslims
I do, but not all, not the few who show hate for us
A government should rule for most not a minority
No government can please us all, but as sure as I live the western world, slowly but surely, is rejecting multi cultures as a good or wanted thing

Belly,
Why is it that those who don't participate in the creation of our common wealth but hold their hands out furthest, invariably vote Labor ?
Now do you see why the Left is pandering to them so much , plenty votes there !

Indy it pleases me knowing your left exists only in your mind, truth is I am a centrist, left of todays right
You seem unable to focus on this truth migration, refugee flows, are seen by the right as boosting the economy, *constant growth*
This thread talks about many faiths and cultures other than Islam, some very real failures in our current policy in this area
Until we confront the truth, stacking more in the west to try to ease troubles in other countrys is importing poverty
Too integration is the best and easiest way not separatism under the name multiculturalism
Room exist to address the issue, try it not radom racism mixed with a left that never existed
IF some one [I think it likely] is trying to bring about one world one people they are failing

faiths and cultures other than Islam,
Belly,
Yeah and, which of the others openly advocate our demise ?

MATE! I do not like the faith, but never let my imagination run wild as you do here
Look at our first Bible, understand it, it is one of the three born in the middle east
And some claim it let us murder others
Life must be hard for you
Living henny penny like in a world waiting for the sky to fall
My very reason for posting this is not to claim every Muslim is in any way a threat
BUT to WARN multiculturalism did not and will not work

'Yeah and, which of the others openly advocate our demise ?'

actually idiotic secularist calling for climate emergencies (by pushing the fallacy of overpopulated earth). Considering they support the mass destruction of the unborn it puts them on par with others wanting to destroy life.

And some claim it let us murder others
Belly,
What page says that in order to gain World domination ?

runner,
put your money where your mouth is & tell us how much you donate to the starving !
Do you support those whose income doesn't catch up with the demands for feeding the little ones ?
Oh, sorry, I nearly forgot-you pray for them !

Runner/Individual apart from highlighting your bigotry and lack of understanding the thread is dead
Tried, truly did, even wanted to ask this
* Do the countrys, all of them, our multicultural migrants come from practice multiculturalism?*
Are Islamic countrys on board with it?
Would we be able to open a pork bar b q shop next to our Christian Church in say Iran? Pakistan? Iraq, Saudi Arabia?
Someone must think one world one people is worth a lot of pain on the way, including loss of culture and nationality
In truth it would be, even with the pain, but only if we could leave all the never existed God Myths behind

Belly,
i'm afraid I can't follow your waffle ! Could you please try to write in basic English ?

indy you my friend can not follow anything and any one, come out from under your rock, try thinking with an open mind
See you in another thread and can only hope you bring your mind with you

Indi,
I have the same problem with belly,s posts,some are too jumbled to even try to follow.

I disagree with most on this thread as I dont believe we are multicultural. We are multiracial but not multicultural as all our laws, governance, education and military is derived from the Westminster system with a few adaptions.

You will note that all the foreign cultural practices that are acceptable to us are already part of our culture. There are a few exceptions and we turn a blind eye to a few, like FGM, polygamy and underage marriage. But nothing of any significance and we certainly do not make specific laws to suit certain groups.

We expect all to obey our laws and society standards. Problems arise when some groups desire to set their own standards based on their old countries ways.

Hi Henry,

Perhaps a slightly more vague and appropriate word would be 'multi-origin-group' - as time passes, Australia has taken in groups for more and more varied origins, nd as far as I can see, quite successfully. Of course, some people from some groups have more problems adapting - or integrating, if you like - to Australian laws, customs, language and ethos.

That's how it's always been - my Irish ancestors certainly had some trouble adapting to English dominance here (on top of overbearing dominance back home). In fact, in each colony, the first mature generations of local-born people also jibed as pommy-born toffs with their born-to-rule arrogance, forming the Australian Natives' Association in 1871 for example.

So it was in all overseas colonies: in South America, local-born people called themselves 'creoles': whites born in the soil of the colony, even aristocrats like San Martin (whose family crest was pale blue and white, (hence the Argentinian and Uruguayan flags). Once those native-born took power early in the nineteenth century, the epithet 'creole' was taken over by the next group down the totem pole: the mixed-race local-born people.

But let's stick to the fuzzy word, 'multiculturalism'. Of course it takes time to adapt, learn the language, get to understand the country and the people here already. But as far as I can see, the great majority do so. They inter-marry, usually in the second generation (so look out for your daughters and granddaughters, you alt-rightists). They tend, in the second generation, to enrol at universities at higher rates than natives. They take your jobs, as is their right if they are better qualified. They are not, and never will be, automatically your subordinates or servants.

That's how it's always going to be in Australia, and always has been. Alt-rightists need to get used to it.

Joe

'put your money where your mouth is & tell us how much you donate to the starving !'

try minding your own business Individual. Why on earth would I tell someone who is Christophobic and has a habit of closed minded bigotry.

Well still find the word, its meaning, some it includes, in my view unwelcome
Look at America, forget Trump racist bigotry, they never needed the word Multiculturalism
But are , like us, made up from just about every race in the world
Some do not ever intend to in any way integrate, why then are they here

Joe,
I dont know if other countries practice multiculturism or not but I know we do not. I will continue to use the word multiracial as i think it best describes us.

Multiculturalism was a term that Al Grassby borrowed from Canada and was supposed to blend diverse people into one nation, but it failed miserably. Remember the slogan 'Unity in Diversity', what rot, even two different types of muslims cannot get along, the whole thing is a pipe dream.

No we had better go with integration and select those immigrants and refugees that we know integrate best. We do not have to accept anyone that turns up. Making some of the diverse fit is like putting square pegs in round holes. For example I am sure muslims would be far happier in muslim countries. The African youth in Melbourne have shown they are far from happy being here.

try minding your own business Individual.
runner,
Cheers for proving me right re your mentality !

Henry,

It's possible that integration is working far better than many on this thread think. Many Muslim women wear 'ordinary' clothes, so are comparatively invisible, and many who wear hijabs and/or long skirts are happy to be here, it's simply what they're used to wearing; perhaps even some of the women wearing nikabs are too, it's just that their husbands don't want them to be getting out dressed, as they see it, immodestly.

And of course, the Latin Americans and central Asians and Polynesians are getting along quite well here, it seems. Of course, many refugees would rather be back in their home countries if only they were safe to return to, that's what makes them refugees: they've had to uproot themselves to flee, and to learn a new language when they get here.

Storm in a tea-cup really.

Joe

Fair cop Loudmouth you are right most do integrate
That was always the intention
My dad, a man of his time, was racist towards refugees, [very long time ago]
Overheard a conversation with a sitting ALP member, quote , they are the breeders in time their kids will be like us
I never forgot and as a kid age up working in Sydney many migrants took me under their wings
Italian family nearly made me one of them
However not every Muslim would, or will ever integrate, faith nothing else, divides us needlessly

Wait and see, Belly :)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-12/protesters-set-fire-to-train-stations-in-india-over-citizenship/11795146
Extreme even primative, but the thread tells of riot and protest in India, because that country proposes giving rights to citizenship, to non Muslims
Yes my words are cruel but he truth is Multiculturalism is a word used only in the west
It took the place of a far better word integration, and that last word stopped no one from celebrating their past country and proudly being one of us too
Some culture,some nationalities, some from within both will never even try to be one of us
True and disturbing

Yes my words are cruel but he truth is Multiculturalism is a word used only in the west
Belly,
very true ! Mainly by comfortable & securely employed bureaucrats !

Belly,

You're aware that the vast majority of people in India are not Muslims but Hindu ? As well as Jains, Sikhs, Christians and Buddhists ?

Joe

loudmouth2,
And, what a peaceful multicultural society they are ! You reckon that's why so many try every trick under the Sun to come to Australia ?

For god's sake you fellas, make up your mind - do you want to attack Muslims, or India, immigration, how people dress, refugee policy, population 'growth' or just brown-skinned people in general ?

Joe

Loudmouth Joe yes well aware in fact used the link to prove not all terrorists are Muslims
As seen in the white racist anti Jew Murder in America
BRITEX bomb dropped last night even Labourers voted conservative
Major reason? a wish to say who comes not be ordered toby the EU, this issue will kill the EU
History tells me we had it good under integration ,my life was made better for post world war two migration
I value mates from many backgrounds including a not practicing Muslim
It will alway be true talking about this issue will be branded racist by some
We will regret our policy once terrorism takes place here, maybe carried out by some living on our social security

Joe, Yes.

Loudmouth put the stick away I at least am telling it like I see it
Every time someone tells me not to hold an opinion my thoughts go to what next for freedom of speech and thought?
The India link HIGHLIGHTED other races than WASPs have views that are not right but exist
Not sure it is my right to say not right but sure my thoughts are shared by many
Multiculturalism is a word invented for the west
And totally not in Islamic countrys Japan and China too

Belly,

We're in Australia. What other countries do is up to them, whether we like it or not. How should we - here - interact with other Australians, as they integrate over time ? A bit like we all have done, more or less it seems ?

Joe

Multiculturalism does not work anymore. Tough luck!

Losers! ......... Start getting use to being the white trash minority or get yourself a Chinese name.

Misopinionated,

So you're not actually in Australia then ? Or perhaps on the same planet ? That would make some sense of your contributions.

Joe

'Losers! ......... Start getting use to being the white trash minority or get yourself a Chinese name.'

only a problem if you are a snowflake. I think the gays, transgenders and coloured people will have more problem with Chinese name calling.

Loudmouth and runner,

Surely you could see this coming? Australia has a Chinese future, brought to you by your politicians, bureaucrats and business community. A future in which whites are seen by the Chinese as the trash minority.

I suppose the good thing to come out of this is that Australia's new white trash minority now get to understand how the Aboriginals feel towards the whites after 250 years of dispossession and attempted genocide of their people.

We have had Chinese here from the first gold rush
And read about Lamming Flat and other racist riots against them
No truly read how ww1 returned troops, then miners behaved
Find time, SMH but other press too, to read the again highlighted story about open racism in India against people being able to enter that country
OH I know it is cruel racist even a bit mad, but racism exists
That word, thrown around even by minorities,in a racist way to claim? they are victims of non-existent racism!
We can target those like me wanting to talk about it but we can not stop us from being racists
Why must the west do some thing the countrys these folk come from would never do
Are we being used to try out a method to prove humanity can exist as one
Why, by who, what is the required outcome
Just maybe Chinas brutal methods, inhuman efforts, to make every one a clone like person, is in play

Dear Belly,

If it isn't race it's class or gender or religion or something else.

It's been like that for ever and will never be any different.

Welcome to the real world of humanity.

Mr O if I could name one single thing that divides us it would be God, every one of the 4.000 man invented
Just read my facebook page and a poster claims Christ is the only God, the others he says are false
Tell me then why did he let the others exist?
Christ it is said, told at least one joke about non Jews
Race, culture can not divide as much without faiths
That poster, in defense of his God, damns more than half the world, by telling us their God never existed but his did

Dear Belly,

The existence of an all-loving, all-powerful and all-knowing God was disproven a long time ago.

Trying to prove the existence of God today is about as rational as trying to disprove the existence of anthropogenic global warming.

Mr O yet some would gladly burn us at the stake for our opinion
Yet science has it right evolution wins that race hands down
What do you think of my view without God humans would be one?

http://www.smh.com.au/national/victoria/sudanese-mothers-wonder-if-they-were-better-off-in-a-war-zone-20191206-p53hqs.html

Quote >>Many express sorrow about resettlement, lamenting that "we were better off in a war zone or refugee camp than in Australia".<<

I'm willing to chip in for airfare money if someone wants to pass the hat around, that is if she's not just saying it to get attention.

- Don't say you you're better off in a warzone or a refugee camp when you've already gotten your citizenship.
How much do you get from the Australian taxpayer and how much do you and you stupid criminal kids contribute?
How much tax do you lot contribute compared to how much you cost the nation?
Some of us are really quite happy to pay for your ticket back.

The only problem is it wouldn't matter if you sent one back anyway because 2 more would come in their place.

Sudan, small country very badly served by its leadership
War took place and South Sudan was formed, things did not get better
We [love beats hate types liked it] brought migrants refugees here
Melbourne has a few too many unruly kids youths, committing crimes
Their mums told us on TV we are racists, no true saw it, the criminal kids? said so too
Emerging totally racist acts from those who claim, and some times are, to be victim of racism?
We, not them, are expected to be better, to say the poor little dears are ok to? be the criminals they are
Suburb of Newcastle NSW corner coffee shop, everyone has one some time each day, from all races all backgrounds it is a place of welcome
Mine was often with a Lebanese shop keeper we liked each other
Sudanese walked past every day
Good day, from both of us big honest smiles
Snarls the only result, he not me, said you are importing trouble
We often are but do not say that
It would be racist to say that
Even when it is true

Maybe it would be a good idea to reintroduce national conscription and put all of those new Aussie multifunctionals to good use. When they're not tied up doing military training they could be used to fight bushfires, build dams, etc.

Mr Opinion indy will like that.
I agree IF the thing is service to the nation not military.
We can innovate and get something back out of whatever the cost is.
First outcome? build a national tourist trail fit for cars horses bicycles and walking, around our country rest areas include

Belly,

Maybe we could put together a wish list of all the things we want from our new Aussie multifunctionals and send it to ScuMo and his mates to put into action. Maybe Barnaby 'I'm as nutty as a fruit cake' Joyce could head up the department in charge.

Mr Opinion indy will like that.
Belly,
Yes, he likes the gradual change in mentality towards a common good !

Indy we have had thread lots of them, about that subject
I always agree if it is not military service.
You always say no make it military.
Time long gone that saw such service make men out of boys
We may need to re introduce your national service, war make things change
If we must leave the threads intended path, ignore a very real future that needs addressing, let's think outside the square
Why not follow at least one Nordic country? use such a national service even instead of prison, for some lesser crimes?.

Thanks to every contributor just end it with this thought
Within the next ten years, this and the thread about refugees will not look as outrageous as some see it now
Impaction on worldwide politics both issue will become the next big thing
Along with sorry Loudmouth, world population, and its impacts on the environment climate change and just plain harmony in many countries
Some future time may see one world one people but not without massive pain, and in the end, it is forced on us
Again thanks let us find other things to talk about

Hey Belly,
Trump Impeached
Told you all he'd be lucky to make it till Christmas

AC fact is he is safe, no way his team will act against him
Prediction for 2020, Trump will FAKE illness and leave, not standing again
Fox, within six months, will dump him Murdock is too smart to go down with him
Old punter from way back, like putting a bit on the outsider
Democrats seem intent on delivering another term to Trump
Too many candidates currently relooking and find only Biden could win.
So watch the pick Warren.
Maybe not have my sixpence each way Trump will not stand if he does he will not win

Nancy Pelosis's venom glands must be just about bursting !

indy I am in debate, on another site, first thread.
With an American Trump supporter.
He is quite lucid, no way using terms like Trump supporters here.
Rather nice to not see the venom used here to damn anyone with another opinion
AC knew [surely] Trump is not guilty, oh he is! but the result is known as not guilty.
After Trump, is the interesting bit, he will be unmasked by his strongest supporters.
Dumped on defamed [if it is possible to defame such a man]
We, you and I will read thousands of words, millions of them, talking about how he used Fake news to? hide the truth he is Fake everything

Belly,
The whole circus is full of fake clowns & all the fake intellectuals are falling fake over fact for it !

Truth stand on its own legs, truth warns us Trump is a fraud
Tells us offshore detention will become normal.
Too warns Multi Culturism in at least some parts of the world is harmful
Warns too, it will not continue in the west while the country's these folk fee would kill us for trying to live it in their lands

Doesn't the Bible warn of the false prophet ?
Perhaps the false prophet is what we call Democracy ?

IF you insist on dragging the thread out please stay on subject
How many ways did that post HIGHLIGHT you are indeed lost?
You tell us you believe in no God
Yet drag the myth into prop up a view the Democrats are evil
You in answering posts, get lost in your own mind.
Have a great Christmas enjoy all

Isn't it Multiculturalism that brought on Brexit ?

yes! ah at last! yes, individual my old buddy yes!
We agree, it too, opposition to it brought about the protests in India.
It will bring about a FIRMNESS in the west that the silly idea must end
That ordering humans at any cost to murder the guest country's culture to bring about racial harmony will not work or be excepted ever
Now my early shopping, not yet over, includes wonderful people from all over the world, even , as their faith says, wearing Turbins as the sub-continent does whatever, but we need not become ten countries.

Multiculturalism in Australia is a success if you are Chinese. The Chinese are the big winners in multiculturalism and Australia now has a Chinese future, especially with ScuMo hinging his promises of jobs and growth on bringing cashed up Chinese migrants into the country.

NO! Mr. Opinion, if China is the threat you claim they by recent actions are clearly mono culture supporters
Over a million Muslims confined to re-education camps supports my view

Belly,

You misunderstood my comment.

I encourage you to come to Sydney and have a look for yourself. It's not the Australia you are used to seeing at home. You won't find too many people like yourself walking around the streets. Mostly Chinese. At Sydney Airport all the signs and notices are written in both English and Chinese. A lot of shops around Sydney cater only for Chinese customers.

If you cannot come to Sydney and see for yourself then maybe you know others who have been here and can tell you what it's like.

If Hong Kong is anything to go by China will have to deal with so much internal strife that they won't even give Australia a second thought except perhaps, wondering how on Earth they'll pay for our coal !

Mr. Opinion, Mate, please know I regarded Sydney as my home as a youth, went back three times to live
Grandville was my home
Work took me back, and my Sydney no longer exists.
But briefly, before leaving forever, lived in Summer Hill, near the center of Chinese Australians city within a city.
I KNOW Chinese are in big numbers
Too MANY think every Asian is in fact Chinese.
Again know, for sure and certain, China is a threat, that we one day will find our selves at war with them
But Bob Hawke brought about 80.000 of them hereafter that infamous massacer.
Too many many more than you want to know, CHINESE HERE are feeing from? Chinese authoritarian rulers.
Mate a truth, and fact, read our own official statistics.
See eyes open the truth number of them here, more Greeks live here than Chinese, maybe more Indian continent, how many of Italian background
China one day, bet on it will invade, but we are until that day, not under any country's control unless it is via scomo, Trump's America,.
My Christmas wishes Mr. O remain safe
PS we should, without doubt, push for Nuclear arms to at least wound the beast when it comes for us