Big Nana forgive but Foxy cops some honestly sexist crap here
She may have left over me!
My combative take on the geens was there for all to see, if so I AM DEEPLY SORRY
A Conservative you Big Nana should still stand for women's rights a hatred of women is seen from some here
I contend firmly we can be much better, without not being firm, in our views
In my defense it is my view Labor MUST separate itself from the greens or never win another election
Too that we will face a greatly weaker government in the next election [likely long before full term]
We must win that election, not have it fall in to our hands from a failed government, if not? we do not deserve that victory

Belly, disagreeing with a woman isn’t sexism, it’s just a difference of opinion. When anyone disagrees with me, I never assume it’s because of my sex.

Hi Comrade Belly,

Penny Wong (a favourite of mine), tried to tip the bucket on the Greens for having 10 years ago sided with the Coalition to defeat Labor's carbon pricing legislation. At the time I believed that decision by the Greens was wrong. The Greens should only side with the Coalition against Labor in extraordinary circumstances.

Paul I too felt that way, remember even at the two elections in my state my team put greens HTV in place [no booths manned] and told their voters of them
My thoughts are not based on nastiness[ so many here are] but on my truly held views about? MY PARTY, yet you and I are closer to being on the right side than? just about everyone here
[yes Labor transported by request greens HTV to every smaller booth]

Belly,

It could be that the major threat to Labor's electoral support will be from Hanson's populist One Nation mob. 'Populism' doesn't necessarily mean popular but seemingly easy to implement, and demanded by many people. Populism's implicit slogan is "We promise easy answers to hard questions !"

So populism is more like taking advantage of many people's disquiet and sinking the boot into governments and other parties (always easy when you're not in power, because you're guaranteed never to have to put your money where your mouth is).

So Hanson can prattle, in high indignation, about the evils of other parties and SEEM to be responding to the wishes of (some of) the people, without ever having to deliver.

And the main movers to the Greens may be from the soft-left wing of the Liberals. I suspect that any Labor people who felt sympathetic towards the Greens' positions have already jumped ship, and Albanese is struggling to bring them back. It's a funny old world.

Joe

Hi Joe and Belly,

Having done HTV's for the Greens for about 20 years, Federal, State and Local, the most aggravated voters towards the Greens, are rusted on conservative older Labor voters, more men than women, just ahead of similar from older Liberal voters, although not such a pronounced split between men and women. Most receptive are easily younger Labor voters, although younger Liberals tend to be economically conservative but on social justice more radical. The other group which come down hard on the Greens are tradie types, easy to spot the 'Bob the Builders' rushing in to vote pre-poll.

Something which is not known to most is while Scrutineering on election night, generally I will watch the Liberal pile more often than Labor, someone else can do that, you never watch your own votes of course. Anyway I would estimate 20 to 30% of Liberal voters preference Greens second, over more conservative parties like Christian Demos and Family First .