Dear mhaze,

Come on young fella, you can do better than that. All you had to do was look at the Wikipedia source and you would have found this link;

http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/4616

Most definitely from NASA.

Now please don't engage in your normal "practice of playing to fool to avoid admitting error" because it use "to be disturbing but now its just funny and sad".

Now the fact that a small group of scientists predicted 2013 as the date the Arctic would be ice-free and were wrong is not in dispute. But what you are extremely disingenuously attempting to do is claim this was the opinion of the wider scientific community which it most definitely was not. Please stop.

As to the sea ice extent the only thing that held up confirming the figure was the fact that "Changing winds or late-season melt could still reduce the Arctic ice extent, as happened in 2005 and 2010." That figure is now accepted as confirmed. Not only that the October data is even bleaker.

"Arctic sea ice extent averaged for October 2019 was 5.66 million square kilometers (2.19 million square miles), the lowest in the 41-year continuous satellite record. This was 230,000 square kilometers (88,800 square miles) below that observed in 2012—the previous record low for the month—and 2.69 million square kilometers (1.04 million square miles) below the 1981 to 2010 average."

Therefore when you write;

"Its no closer to being ice free now than it was a decade ago."

It's rubbish! The outliers are becoming the norm indicating a trajectory to everyone but the most indoctrinated.

Wonder how my detractors would judge man made climate change if it was not linked in any way to fossil fuels?
See protecting just that, is the basic reason a campaign to deny it exists
Mhaze have read yours and everyone's posts, always do, but just drove 45 klm north
Right into the heart of a still burning bush fire, it will take two decades[ with normal rainfall] to get near what it was
Now yes *as another said* climate change did not light the fires firebugs did
Around here schools are closed, so another fire is likely, but not every firebug is a child
The biggest dry in living memory contributed, ,climate change?
Who knows but again put your head out the window, read other than SkyFox Fake News

"NASA, CSIRO, Smithsonian, and 11,000 scientists,
climate scientists, from over 153 different countries
all live in caves?"

What did I say about "certain posters" making fools of themselves!

I said these posters were the ones living in caves, not people I don't know, and who don't make fools of themselves daily on OLO. The sort of fool who has chosen to ignore the latest information that "11,000 scientists" don't exist. The sort of fool who just keeps on posting rubbish hoping to get a rise out of other posters because she has nothing better to do, and "needs" to keep doing it because she has "serious health problems" (she has actually posted this stuff) that she likes to keep us up to date with them at every opportunity. The sort of fool who buddies up with another fool to rabbit on about about people who "put off" new posters when she and her buddy top the list of suspects in that regard

ttbn,

Don't take yourself so seriously.

No one else does.

We know that you never really want to hurt anyone.

You just feel it an obligation.

We get it.

You're the same old sausage, fizzing and sputtering
in your own grease.

It would help your mental well-being if you were to
come out from down under -
into the sunlight every now and then.

Keep on trolling Foxy; it seems to be all you have in life.

Runner Scomo,s most telling comment was made a few years ago at Maccas in his local suburb
My thoughts are with Queenslanders today along with WA and SA my state too
After the fires if we see and after this summer, it will remain tragic as we take stock, insects and such most animals did not escape this holocaust
Hurts to know some maybe most are deliberate acts, we know kids started at least two massive blazes not yet under control
Foxy is targeted so am I because we believe in the science, we are joined by massive numbers of humans all over the world
Those who may read our words in fifty year may well know my thought the anti change team is part of the Fake News conspiracy, I do already, and you can indeed sell some people anything