Dear mhaze,

Back gilding the lily as always.

These 'ubiquitous scientists' were clearly defined in the article as Professor Wieslaw Maslowski and his group.

The same bloody article quoted a Dr Mark Serreze from the US National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) which collects the observational data on the extent of Arctic sea ice, delivering regular status bulletins.

"A few years ago, even I was thinking 2050, 2070, out beyond the year 2100, because that's what our models were telling us. But as we've seen, the models aren't fast enough right now; we are losing ice at a much more rapid rate. "My thinking on this is that 2030 is not an unreasonable date to be thinking of."

He even said of Maslowski "I think Wieslaw is probably a little aggressive in his projections, simply because the luck of the draw means natural variability can kick in to give you a few years in which the ice loss is a little less than you've had in previous years.”

As to trend lines (sigh) all you did was reveal how much your cherry picking was breath-taking back then and I have little doubt that is what you are trying to push here.

However I would be kind of interested to see how you have managed to come up with this claim;

“And the Arctic isn't even moving in the right direction for your claims to be true. While the trend-line (you remember trend-lines, I taught you about them a few years back) for 1979-2006 was for progressively less ice, the trend-line for 2007 to 2018 has been progressively more ice. So your assertion (ie a claim without basis) that "the fact that the trajectory is very much headed in that direction." is utterly wrong.”

Especially given we currently sit at the second lowest extent and area for this time of year.

http://neptune.gsfc.nasa.gov/csb/index.php?section=234

Oh and why was my link 'rubbish'? All it did was show satellite imagery turned into a gif. Are you that brain addled you won't accept such a format?

Dear Hasbeen,

Measurements started in Hawaii in 1959 have been recording exponential increases in CO2 to today, which is definitely before the Ash Wed fires of 1983.

This is the problem when untrained people are constantly sticking their beak into subjects they have no qualifications in. I can understand why climatologists feel like they're fighting a lost cause trying to make the general public aware of the problems of AGW and climate change. A case of knowledge versus ignorance.

Mr o. Please tell us why we have record floods in middle OLD and record droughts in South western QLD during the same period, According to your knowledge which you learned at Uni, you can now predict [foresaw you said] these happening.

"As an environmental sociologist I saw this coming a long time ago and I have formed the opinion that the climate in these areas is now fixed." No the problem you see is an opportunity to pipe water from the north to the south, but a sociologist you only see the problems not the answers. This is the challenge!

So can I ask you when it is going to rain in the drought areas? The farmers are relying on your knowledge so as to plant crops. In 1951 Indigo Jones predicted the big drought in the new century and his calculations had it breaking in 14/11/2019, but others using his same calculations put it in 4/05/2020. I see you now learned weather predictions at University based on Climate science. We just want to know when will it rain to make the rivers flow? I suppose your university lecturer was a Marxist socialist, they seem to have all the clues on Climate, especially the coming doom of mankind.

When most of us on this site have been around for 80+ years we have seen a few things, droughts, floods, fires etc. We have not seen the people along the beach fronts moving to higher ground, or the cities on Australian ports abandoning their ports and building new ports on higher ground. Perhaps that is a career path you could pursue. Big money in Ports building especially now the sea levels are changing!

No it is all a lot of hot air incinerating birds and wind clobbering rare night birds, we are seeing; even that air will be cooled as the ice melts and water covers more land and we will have to return to coal fires to keep us warm.

MrOpinion,

Not at all, I simply quoted the Green Mayor of Glen Innes, she is getting a lot of sympathy; at the town markets this morn a local was heard to say that he had intended to take up a collection for her but his wife objected and wouldn't lend him one of her thimbles.

Oh dear SR,

The article I linked was a mere example or the myriad of similar stories. You manage to find one guy in there that has a slightly longer time frame and then, you assert that he's the really-trooly scientist.

Google "Arctic ice free 2013" and you'll get over 32 million finds. I think people were talking about despite your fading or convenient memory.

This article might help ... http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2013/09/12/remember-all-those-breathy-predictions-about-an-ice-free-arctic-by-2015-nevermind/#726d1533aa19

Re trend-lines. Still re-writing history I see. Way back, when I pointed out there were 100s of trend-lines concerning the so-called climate pause, you were aghast that there was more than one. I had to explain why. But its a just another inconvenient truth that is now residing in the memory-hole.

So out of all the failed predictions over the decades you pick one where some scientists didn't make the same erroneous prediction and think that vindicates all the other failed predictions. Oh dear.

As to your rubbish link I was refer to the first one in your post.... https//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/Disappearing_Ice.webm

As to the facts...minimum sea ice extent has INcreased by 10% since 2007. The lowest ever (well since 1981) was 2012. If its moving in the direction you say, why is it higher now than then?

Belly,

You wanted to know how you'd been duped?

Try watching this.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vs3ZPGLPiss

I suspect you won't bother or won't get too far in but at least watch the first 10 minutes and then explain to us (and yourself) how you were taken in.

Mr O,

"Measurements started in Hawaii in 1959 have been recording exponential increases in CO2 to today"

False. False. and False.

Do you know what exponential means? Obviously not.