With the greatest respect appropriate to your status, Misopinionated, I disagree with your last post. Good luck with your TAFE certificate this year.

Joe

OMG Loudmouth! Are you saying you don't have degrees in this area and don't know anything about AGW and climate change. What a shock! Well that shouldn't stop you from being an adviser to ScuMo because he knows as little as you do about climate change.

Dear Loudmouth,

You write;

“And neither do you put your money where your fingers are and assert something - an inch in sea-level rise ? Two metres ? A metre a year ? - and, of course, back it up. Meanwhile tides go up and down twice a day, a metre or more each time. Horrors !”

Absolute tosh mate.

You have asked this before just two months ago and I have answered providing both quotes and sources;

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“Thus, these results indicate about 11–14 cm (4–5 inches) of GMSL rise from 1901 to 1990. Tide gauge analyses indicate that GMSL rose at a considerably faster rate of about 3 mm/year ... since 1993, a result supported by satellite data indicating a trend of 3.4 ± 0.4 mm/year ... over 1993–2015 … . These results indicate an additional GMSL rise of about 7 cm ... since 1990 ... and about 16–21 cm ... since 1900.

http://science2017.globalchange.gov/chapter/12/

Let me know if you need any clarification on these figures.

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Your response then?

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Thanks SR,

So a rise of two degrees Celsius in the last century ? And six to eight inches of sea-level rise since 1900 ?

Right, now we have something to go on.

Cheers,

Joe

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Now you are back running the same passive aggressive prevaricating crap up the flag pole again.

And you wonder why I don't take you seriously?

Read my link Joe? Loudmouth?
Any thoughts? how about the theory sea temperatures are rising down deep if not on the surface
Can we re look at the report we are talking about? see its other concerns?
My recent link needs at least a look Loudmouth
Mr O you can do better, the position of snide rude dude is already filled, you are no chance of getting it
Just opened my highway, but not to trucks, the long way around has been cut in one of the only two ways, by fire
Right now this is this state's worst fires event, long long ago as a kid fought southern highlands fire [a school] with a milk tankers load, tank water only there
57 homes went in the Blue Mountains then and about thirty others around the state
We lost 150 yesterday and over night, now? grim worse to come next week but far too many erupting right now

LM,

Re your questions...

There is a rough consensus that temperatures have risen somewhere between 0.8 and 1.2c since 1850. It depends on which temperature database you prefer. Although most people in the field would accept that number there are many who dispute it, saying there's either no or much less warming or that there is insufficient evidence to actually know the answer.

Equally in sea-level rises there's a rough consensus of around 15 - 22cm since 1900. Again many would dissent from those numbers but most would agree or at least not strongly disagree.NB: seas have been rising since the start of the Holocene, on average.

Despite what some might say here, no one knows the effectiveness or extent of warming caused by the various greenhouse gases (GHG). For example there is a concept called Equilibrium Climate Sensitivity (ECR) which is the estimate temperature increase caused by a doubling in the level of CO2. The IPCC and most others say that number is between 1.5c and 4.5c. A range that big means they're really saying its between not much a a helluva lot. They don't know. The more we learn about the climate the lower that number gets.

I'd be really interested in understanding the mindset that just accepts these scary scenarios as gospel.

Earlier I listed a small sample of the myriad climate predictions that have proven to be just plain wrong. Yet they were all believed at the time and just as fervently as the current scares. And there was equal certainty that we needed to do something at the time. Yet nothing was done and nothing happened. The Arctic didn't melt, cities didn't flood, snow still falls, Pacific islands are still there, the 50 million climate refugees didn't eventuate.

So I'd like to know how it is that so many here and elsewhere, just disregard these previously failed claims when evaluating the validity of the new scary claims. Indeed not just disregard, but ignore them or just pretend they never happened.

What mindset allows people to be utterly hoodwinked 5, 10, 20 years ago and yet be utterly certain that this time they aren't being led down the garden path. Its no different, indeed precisely the same thinking that occurs in religious cults where the faithful are told the world will end on so-and-so a time and, when it doesn't occur, just accept the new end-date as though the previous prediction never happened.

But I wish I understood how people 'think' like that. Or what it would take to snap them out of their delusions.