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Climate Emergency

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Ah, so you'll only listen to a certain KIND of 'scientist'.

Unfortunately, while there are many peer-reviewed geologists in climate science and reporting to the IPCC, there are also many geologists with a lifetime in fossil fuel exploration that do not seem to be able to see past the era when fossil fuels helped kick-start the industrial revolution to when we were burning too many and it started to hurt us by changing the climate. Your selection here is a founding member of Clexit. http://www.desmogblog.com/clexit

Of course the climate has changed before! Climate scientists study this all the time. Paleoclimate helps us establish the climate sensitivity to CO2 and is a bedrock to modern climate science. Rather than some mystery that climatologists have somehow accidentally overlooked, paleoclimate is one of the foundations! Paleoclimate helps establish the climate sensitivity multipliers that MHAZE doesn't like.
http://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/02/WG1AR5_Chapter05_FINAL.pdf

And the old trick of whining that doing our bit won't really matter to the climate denies the fact that it WILL matter to other nations looking for an excuse not to do THEIR part. We ALL have to do our bit. On a per capita basis, we emit more than most other nations in the world, especially if you count our exports.

If it really is going to hurt other people, what gives us that right? Seriously — isn't one of the greatest moral commands "Love your neighbour as yourself"? How is polluting vastly more than our fair share setting the right example? How is it fair to your children and grandchildren?

What if your grandchildren grow up in an Australia that is in drought and fires like this more than it's not? What if SOME OTHER nation were polluting without a care, and Australia cleaned up their act? Would you be angry with them?

How would they feel if they cleaned up their act and we continued polluting?
Posted by Max Green, Monday, 16 December 2019 7:50:03 PM
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The facts on CO2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi7ZFlCKoj0&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1eDG2FtDuWwBZP9pzdK9KBXV8ceXDrh4sfJwB1AbYxwzam-hyiUaZjzJ8&app=desktop

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilD6aYvMPZw&fbclid=IwAR0rcpAZwAWuUW7NLYeCL-LC320KfNcx5bMiI6-TwO5N5ShveG3aOE0cH90&app=desktop
Posted by Josephus, Monday, 16 December 2019 7:51:52 PM
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You know you're really rude?

I answered your questions. What do you make of the fact that your geologist 'scientist' is a paid up founder of Clexit? What do you make of the realpolitik around Australia's duty to do its part if the rest of the world is?

But no. You're just another denier. I wrote this about 14 years ago about deniers I'd met at the time. You are such a cliche!
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Dogmatic deniers don't debate, they rotate. They have links to spurious, easily debunked papers, and they KNOW they're easy to debunk. So they fire them off like so many artillery shells. Assertion 1 is loaded.

FIRE 1:"It's not us, it's the sun!" they assert and post a link to a dumb website like WUWT. But will they read the replies? Will they debate the peer-reviewed science? Were they ever considering learning anything? Don't be so naive! Before they even read the reply they're loading shell 2!

FIRE 2: "It's just computer models and I don't trust computer models". Assertion and links posted. People who respect climate science try to answer, but they're wasting their time. While the answers come in, the tinfoil-hatter is already loading 3!

FIRE 3: "It's a conspiracy to tax the world and create a world government." Blah blah blah, on and on they go, never once being interested in an actual adult conversation about what the science says. They don't even realise their opinion has been bought for them, paid by the Koch brothers! http://youtu.be/IaKm89eVhoE

They don't debate, they rotate, from red herrings to straw-men to cherrypicking. Don't waste your time with tinfoil hatters like these.
Posted by Max Green, Monday, 16 December 2019 8:11:07 PM
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Max Refute these claims.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zrejG-WI3U&t=858s
Posted by Josephus, Monday, 16 December 2019 8:43:08 PM
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Max, now I notice you call scientists that hold a different opinion to you whom I happen to see rational, brought out; when equally the extremists are equally brought out by compliant extremist Governments. The climate is changing and it is not Australia or man that is causing it!
Posted by Josephus, Monday, 16 December 2019 8:52:22 PM
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Josephus please tell me.
Who is behind [your words not mine] the climate change hoax?
Why, why are they deceiving us.
How have they arranged the recent storm of all-time record events?
Is our drought a front used by them to get people to fall for that hoax.
[LOVE THESE FULL STOPS.!]
Can we agree on this, if you are right Fake News Fake views Has conned me?
A deliberate mission to confuse to hide the truth to forever make us doubt what we are told has been used by hoax man-made climate change freaks to?
Gain what?
Just take this on board the debate PROVES the existence of such a group
The only thing in doubt is who, you or me, is being conned
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 5:45:48 AM
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