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Bring Them Home?

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"What if IS had won that war"?

Who do you think the 'Syrian camp refugees' actually are Belly?
They're the remnants of failed Islamic State who Assad rounded up and sent to to Idlib.
I want to respond to your question with a different question:

Whats better Islamic State there or Islamic State here?
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 9 October 2019 3:07:10 PM
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Dear Belly,

According to a Reuters article published back in
June 2019 Canberra was working to bring Australian
children of dead Isis fighters back home from Syria.
"The group of children are being fetched home from a
camp in norther Syria,"said our PM at the time.
"They can't be held responsible for the crimes of their
parents."

Australia had gathered up 8 children and grandchildren
of 2 dead Australian Islamic State fighters from a
Syrian refugee camp and will bring them home our PM
said. Aged between 2 and 18 those rescued includ
the 3 surviving children of Isis fighter Kahled Sharrouf
photographed standing next to his young son holding a
severed head in a picture that made a global head-line
in 2014.

Today, there are approximately 50 more women and children
in the camps that are Australian citizens needing rescuing.
However Foreign Affairs Minister Marise Payne has stated,
"While we are concerned for the welfare of Australians
held in the Syrian camps... as we've made clear we will not
put Australian officials, forces, or our public in danger
so any repatriation will occur only if safe to do so."
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 10 October 2019 1:56:25 AM
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Arm Chair Critic did you find reason in my posts to think I did not know that
Those people, now in very real danger of being murdered are the very reason for this thread
Foxy yes aware of that, but too, think they are saying one thing doing another
Some did get to come back
Can we leave our good intentions and basic kindness out side for just a little while?
AC took offense it seems at my question, but here it is again,IF Australian or American , troops or even women are in those camps
Be honest, their blood would flow over night
Why reward hate with love
A reality is going to steam over us who value love and care
Even that out standing county Norway is banning immigration
Because we are being used ,our kindness is being used against us, not returned
If they came home [in my view it will never again be their home] some of them may murder some of us
Never reward hate with love
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 10 October 2019 5:44:09 AM
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Any rescue service knows that a major cause of fatalities is unwitting and unplanned rescue attempts and that the first rule is to ensure the safety of the rescue team.

Considering the situation in Syria Marise Payne's actions are rational.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Thursday, 10 October 2019 6:25:58 AM
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Dear Belly,

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As Armchair Critic just pointed out : the “Syrian camp refugees” under discussion are those Australian citizens and their (stateless?) children, who joined forces with our enemy, the Islamic State” which, though dislodged, has not been totally dismantled nor definitively eliminated.

An Australian citizen who “engages in conduct that assists by any means whatever, with intent to assist, an enemy: (i) at war with the Commonwealth, whether or not the existence of a state of war has been declared” is guilty of treason (section 80.1 of the Criminal Code, contained in the schedule of the Commonwealth Criminal Code Act 1995).

The next question is “does the Commonwealth owe a fiduciary duty to its nationals ?”.

In October 2001, following the terror attacks on 11 September 2001, a chain of events saw Mr Mamdouh Habib (an Australian national) detained by Pakistani authorities, Egyptian authorities and the US Department of State. Between 2001 and 2005, Mr Habib was held at Guantanamo Bay, on the basis of allegations that he was a terrorist.

He was eventually released without charge.

Whilst the Federal Court of Australia acknowledged that there was “some kind of duty” owed by the Commonwealth to its overseas nationals, it held that this was a “political” duty and not one that was enforceable.

The Court took the view that, to enforce such a duty in favour of Mr Habib would require the Commonwealth, in matters of foreign policy, to prefer the interests of Mr Habib over the nation’s interests as a whole.

From a practical perspective, this means that Australian citizens travelling overseas are not guaranteed any degree of protection or intervention by the Commonwealth. Such decisions rest solely on the executive and are subject to foreign policy and political considerations at the time, depending on the circumstances.

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Thursday, 10 October 2019 7:20:04 AM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

I am in total agreement with you on this matter.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 10 October 2019 8:12:01 AM
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