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So some want to bring the Syrian camp refugees home
Take a breath
What if IS had won that war
What if it was our troops held in those camps,
How much of a roll would humanity play in what would take place
Extremes [that is what they are] tell us to act with humanity
Just maybe reality is shouting would they even think like that? would they put humanity first
A clear change is called for, as extreme right grows world wide those against such growth MUST confront the truth PC is dead more hate it than support it, more while understanding the cruelty of these camps are not prepared to forget the actions of those living their
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 9 October 2019 5:01:49 AM
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Belly,
Just send them a Pension & be done with it because bringing them here will not solve/save anything here. By the time the Lawyers hold out their hands & all the bureaucratic nonsense that goes with it, the kids will be almost grown up & their mentality won't be Australian.
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 9 October 2019 10:21:55 AM
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Individual if the last election told me anything it is this, working class Aussies have had a gut full of PC
Growing numbers are sick of internal protests held here by the worst from this faith
They would have butchered our troops had they won
Some did! butcher innocents
If you and I in one of their city's even dared speak out against their faith we would be butchered
Look first at that, how those countrys do not want to take them but want us to
We owe nothing to them the kids? maybe but never the parent
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 9 October 2019 10:33:43 AM
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No Way,
they have chosen to go to the middle east. If we bring any back, it will just encourage more to go next time there is a conflict as they know, Australia will bring us back and feed and cloth and house us.

If we say once you leave you can NEVER come back, many will not go.

As for the children of these IS fighters, I'm sorry your father is a idiot but there are millions more children and their families around the world that want to come to Australia and respect our laws and will become good citizens. When we run out of good refugees , we will then consider you.
Posted by kirby483, Wednesday, 9 October 2019 1:59:34 PM
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Notice how quiet it now is about the Sri Lankan family ?
Same will happen with the ISIS lot.
Let it all quieten down & then bring them here, give them a house & all while our people have to work till 67 or longer.
Never forget that once we give an inch they'll demand three miles & get it thanks to our academic expert social engineers !
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 9 October 2019 2:43:11 PM
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I see nothing to compare the two very different things indy
But I do know cruel as it is, most note most Australians do not care to have these people bought here
They, even if they did not understand, betrayed us
Some, yes women, murdered innocents, the recent loss of citizenship, one was on camera front for the group, recruiting other women
Every time minority group/opinion raises its head like those saying bring them here the majority must be heard
Self inflicted pain yes, our problem no
Yes too to the thought above if we stand firm others who are living here now, and share anti western views may not act on those views
Be as caring and nice as our enemy'is, not at all.
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 9 October 2019 3:06:25 PM
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"What if IS had won that war"?

Who do you think the 'Syrian camp refugees' actually are Belly?
They're the remnants of failed Islamic State who Assad rounded up and sent to to Idlib.
I want to respond to your question with a different question:

Whats better Islamic State there or Islamic State here?
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 9 October 2019 3:07:10 PM
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Dear Belly,

According to a Reuters article published back in
June 2019 Canberra was working to bring Australian
children of dead Isis fighters back home from Syria.
"The group of children are being fetched home from a
camp in norther Syria,"said our PM at the time.
"They can't be held responsible for the crimes of their
parents."

Australia had gathered up 8 children and grandchildren
of 2 dead Australian Islamic State fighters from a
Syrian refugee camp and will bring them home our PM
said. Aged between 2 and 18 those rescued includ
the 3 surviving children of Isis fighter Kahled Sharrouf
photographed standing next to his young son holding a
severed head in a picture that made a global head-line
in 2014.

Today, there are approximately 50 more women and children
in the camps that are Australian citizens needing rescuing.
However Foreign Affairs Minister Marise Payne has stated,
"While we are concerned for the welfare of Australians
held in the Syrian camps... as we've made clear we will not
put Australian officials, forces, or our public in danger
so any repatriation will occur only if safe to do so."
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 10 October 2019 1:56:25 AM
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Arm Chair Critic did you find reason in my posts to think I did not know that
Those people, now in very real danger of being murdered are the very reason for this thread
Foxy yes aware of that, but too, think they are saying one thing doing another
Some did get to come back
Can we leave our good intentions and basic kindness out side for just a little while?
AC took offense it seems at my question, but here it is again,IF Australian or American , troops or even women are in those camps
Be honest, their blood would flow over night
Why reward hate with love
A reality is going to steam over us who value love and care
Even that out standing county Norway is banning immigration
Because we are being used ,our kindness is being used against us, not returned
If they came home [in my view it will never again be their home] some of them may murder some of us
Never reward hate with love
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 10 October 2019 5:44:09 AM
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Any rescue service knows that a major cause of fatalities is unwitting and unplanned rescue attempts and that the first rule is to ensure the safety of the rescue team.

Considering the situation in Syria Marise Payne's actions are rational.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Thursday, 10 October 2019 6:25:58 AM
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Dear Belly,

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As Armchair Critic just pointed out : the “Syrian camp refugees” under discussion are those Australian citizens and their (stateless?) children, who joined forces with our enemy, the Islamic State” which, though dislodged, has not been totally dismantled nor definitively eliminated.

An Australian citizen who “engages in conduct that assists by any means whatever, with intent to assist, an enemy: (i) at war with the Commonwealth, whether or not the existence of a state of war has been declared” is guilty of treason (section 80.1 of the Criminal Code, contained in the schedule of the Commonwealth Criminal Code Act 1995).

The next question is “does the Commonwealth owe a fiduciary duty to its nationals ?”.

In October 2001, following the terror attacks on 11 September 2001, a chain of events saw Mr Mamdouh Habib (an Australian national) detained by Pakistani authorities, Egyptian authorities and the US Department of State. Between 2001 and 2005, Mr Habib was held at Guantanamo Bay, on the basis of allegations that he was a terrorist.

He was eventually released without charge.

Whilst the Federal Court of Australia acknowledged that there was “some kind of duty” owed by the Commonwealth to its overseas nationals, it held that this was a “political” duty and not one that was enforceable.

The Court took the view that, to enforce such a duty in favour of Mr Habib would require the Commonwealth, in matters of foreign policy, to prefer the interests of Mr Habib over the nation’s interests as a whole.

From a practical perspective, this means that Australian citizens travelling overseas are not guaranteed any degree of protection or intervention by the Commonwealth. Such decisions rest solely on the executive and are subject to foreign policy and political considerations at the time, depending on the circumstances.

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Thursday, 10 October 2019 7:20:04 AM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

I am in total agreement with you on this matter.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 10 October 2019 8:12:01 AM
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These women are traitors to Australia.

If they are brought back here they should be lined up against a wall, & have the natural penalty applied. The last thing that should happen is for them to be given homes & welfare payments. Such things belong to only our citizens that although down, are loyal citizens.
Posted by Hasbeen, Thursday, 10 October 2019 10:31:58 AM
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Bango it is my understanding you have got that right
I however while agreeing have a growing thought my party must consider what most Australians want
And while we are sympathetic to the kids,even maybe a few of the mothers, we[me at least] do not want them bought home
Rewarding such acts of true terrorism, and that is their crime, is insanity
Again if it was you and I in such a camp over there we would have been killed long ago
Stark reality demands we truly look at what these women and their partners, wanted for us and our way of life
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 10 October 2019 10:46:27 AM
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Have these mothers got ISIS passports ?
Posted by individual, Thursday, 10 October 2019 11:21:57 AM
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news com site this morning,telling the story of a then 15 year old who even miss lead her family about going over there
She now says it was the biggest mistake of her life, so it was
But bringing her home would be a risk we should not take
Posted by Belly, Friday, 11 October 2019 6:38:49 AM
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Dear Hasbeen,

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You wrote :

« These women are traitors to Australia. If they are brought back here they should be lined up against a wall, & have the natural penalty applied »

That’s not going to happen, Hasbeen. Not only has the death penalty been abolished by the Commonwealth as well as all states and territories but, in addition, in 2010, our federal government passed legislation prohibiting its re-establishment by any state or territory.
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Dear Belly,

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Erdogan has just stirred up a hornet’s nest, attacking the Kurds in Syria and threatening the European’s with opening the flood gates of the 3.6 million refugees they pay him to keep in Turkey if they try to stop him.

Also, as the Kurds are obliged to defend themselves, they are no longer available to guard the captured ISIS fighters or their wives and children in the Syria prison camps.

All hell is about to be let loose.

The members of the international coalition fighting ISIS have been convened to an urgent meeting to discuss the problem and agree on the most appropriate action.

None of them would want to see the ISIS fighters escape from prison.

If all else fails, perhaps the only other solution might be for each coalition member, including Australia, to repatriate its own national ISIS fighters, women and children back to their home country and decide what to do with them.

We might end up being the ones with our backs to the wall.

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Friday, 11 October 2019 9:31:13 AM
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We might end up being the ones with our backs to the wall.

Banjo Paterson,
we've been for several years already !
Posted by individual, Friday, 11 October 2019 10:23:29 AM
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Banjo Paterson yes saw that, in the end refugee flows are going to increase not decrease
And unsure what Trump thought he was doing but it is on his head now
Depressing news SMH this day, seems Latin America is a huge failed state or numbers of them
Refugees there too
Questioning my self over this thread, have fought all my life for equality
BUT in the end we must not be weakened by our love for those in need
The link told about a 15 year old girl, let my detractors tell me she was not living apart
Some will always use us and our freedoms against us this in my view was never their home
Posted by Belly, Friday, 11 October 2019 10:46:41 AM
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Well we never made it, maybe because my view is shared by the very right
As we leave think about this
In every day life I constantly run in to my mates, ex union members I once served
It would horrifie the greens, but they think like I spoke in this thread
Clearly some no longer vote Labor, some even vote one nation
Because they sadly wrongly, do not like Multiculturalism or trust Labor on this issue
Do the numbers, no not a personal attack, if the greens are ever going to become a government, ever
Why do they not hold five even ten lower house seats now
Fact Labor lost votes in the last election be cause some think we are too close to the greens
Too we will remain in opposition after the next if that view continues
Third point, voters from most sides in numbers we dare not ignore want some thing better
Every lunatic terrorist that came from within our country right or left, pushes us in to a corner politicians dare not ignore
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 12 October 2019 5:41:11 AM
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Fact Labor lost votes in the last election be cause some think we are too close to the greens
Belly,
It doesn't strike me to be the case. From my own observations voters were scared going by Labor's past performance.
Posted by individual, Saturday, 12 October 2019 4:28:40 PM
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indy in all truth Clive Palmer,s sixty million got the Liberals over the edge
Shorten helped, balancing out how many disliked him proves that
Your personal bias while your right, leaves you with your eyes closed and back turned when the parade passes by often
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 13 October 2019 6:12:11 AM
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Well thank goodness for Clive Palmer right Belly?
Otherwise your globalist sellout party would've pushed all our dates forward with it's Climate Change agendas years ago.

You progressive party is so globalist Gillard stabbed Rudd and the nation in the back to try pull the carbon tax almost a decade ago.

The rest of the planet are being pushed by the IMF to introduce a US$75 Carbon tax by 2030.
Your lot was trying to Cloward and Piven the nation back in 2011.

Too busy trying to cater to global bigwigs than your own constituents or your own nation, that's why you lost and your platform is garbage.

Completely disconnected from reality.

They were selling the nation out well in advance of the current sellouts.

The whole entire Labor Party should be loaded into Elon Musk's rocket and fired into the sun for the good of humanity.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 13 October 2019 7:00:10 AM
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AC thanks again, for selling the lie some socialist intention to rule the world is in existence
It is the other way around your right of reality mob have that intention
Yes Labor lost, but for Palmer they would not have
Liberals hold one more seat, maybe that is the Chinese influence seat?
Handy however to have the ability to create smoke screens that leave such as you fighting on the wrong side
Unknowingly delivering punches to every thing they, if they understood, would want to defend
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 13 October 2019 11:22:12 AM
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Belly,
It wasn't Palmers Millions, it was Labor's sad, abysmal record ! Our social problems now are directly due to the Whitlam Govt., the financial/industrial woes are due to Keating, Hawke sorted out some of the mess, Rudd was a total failure as was Gillard.
Abbott falls into that category too !
Posted by individual, Sunday, 13 October 2019 5:51:33 PM
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Hasbeen,
>These women are traitors to Australia.
Some are. Others are victims of circumstance, as are the children.

>If they are brought back here they should be lined up against a wall, & have the natural penalty applied.
No, not the natural penalty, but the penalty of law.
Remember law? It's something that should apply to everyone.

Also, it should be when rather than if.
Posted by Aidan, Monday, 14 October 2019 12:28:15 AM
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Right now, in that camp for women and children squads of very active IS supporters are bashing, even killing, others who will not toe the line
Bring one of those type home?
We must not let our basic kindness blind us to hate that knows no bounds
Again tell me how would you be treated if you lived in their hands in such a camp, fact is you would be long dead
Posted by Belly, Monday, 14 October 2019 5:57:47 AM
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Bellly,
It's very unlikely that any of the perpetrators of that violence and intimidation are Australian, and we shouldn't let fears of that scenario prevent us from rescuing people from them.

Hypothetically if one were, Australia should take responsibility, bring her home, and lock her up for decades.
Posted by Aidan, Monday, 14 October 2019 8:21:59 AM
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bring her home, and lock her up for decades.
Aidan,
You do realise that jail in Australia would be 5 star accommodation in comparison to those camps !
Posted by individual, Monday, 14 October 2019 8:51:40 AM
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individual,
That's irrelevant. The issue is removing the power they have over others.
Though as I said, it's probably all moot because it's very unlikely that any of the perpetrators is Australian.
Posted by Aidan, Monday, 14 October 2019 8:58:53 AM
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Aiden ok by me, but trouble is we measure our selves very differently than they do
Within a year some soft headed non thinkers would be campaigning to get them out
We must toughen up, treat them as they would us
Would be interesting to see a nation wide poll, [one that could be trusted] on the issue bring them home or not
Posted by Belly, Monday, 14 October 2019 10:54:04 AM
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Belly,
So true !
Posted by individual, Monday, 14 October 2019 11:45:56 AM
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thousands of white south African farmers that are in imminent danger would be great contributors to this society. Just saying. They certainly would not be blood suckers looking to be traitors or users like some from other cultures/religions.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 2:42:17 PM
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The "death to the Infidels" cry has a different meaning now for them but just wait for this new Kurd/turkey/Syria mess to escalate once the IS crowd re-groups. Perhaps we should get these women to state their allegiance openly now ? Will they still be "regretful" then ?
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 12:38:16 AM
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In the end the bring them home group are not a majority
And unlikely to ever get their way
Yes it is cruel, but too they, not us, put them selves in this position
If we weaken, show them love they never showed us, and one of them[after returning] murders innocents in our streets?
War is war they declared war on us
Remember they use our fairness against us, we dare not forget that and not let them back
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 5:16:36 AM
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Sadly, others have forced Australia to become cruel to be kind !
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 5:57:18 PM
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Those others indy are voters
Voters are the reason we have offshore detention, they too, in big enough numbers to count do not want to bring these people home
Do the maths, ignore large numbers who refuse to vote for that nice bring them home idea
Then count those minority, who want to bring them here
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 17 October 2019 5:41:48 AM
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The pro-bring them home crowd should be forced to study 2019 Europe !
Posted by individual, Saturday, 19 October 2019 2:26:49 PM
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Indy forcing them will change nothing
Fact is they want to be nice to every one, and will never truly understand some they wish to help will hate us forever
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 19 October 2019 3:43:19 PM
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