Belly,

You are so deep into the anti Trump hysteria that you can't see anything else. For example claiming that the Ukraine phone call is worse than Watergate is ludicrous. Nixon was caught red handed as an accomplice to a felony break and entry, and of obstructing justice while the Ukraine phone call is not a crime in any statue books as the link you proved claims.

Secondly, the claim that 55% of the US want Trump impeached is also bollocks. One small poll indicated that a majority of the US were happy for the inquiry to proceed, but that the desire for him to be impeached ran almost directly along partisan lines.

Face it, Trump will be running in 2020.

Earlier I wrote :Trump shouldn't have had to ask Australia for help in getting to the bottom of the Russia collusion hoax. The government, the Australian intelligence community and perhaps Downer as well should have been rushing to assist...."

Well it seems the Australians have been "rushing to assist". All the way back in May they had written to the US officials that they'd provide any and all information the US required.

Morrison just went up a few points in my estimation. A long way to go before I even consider voting Lib again, but baby steps.

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Foxy wrote:"Information coming out of White House sources
tells us that all the latest developments - are
simply a diversionary
tactic fabricated by the Trump team to win sympathy with
supporters to ensure a win at the next election."

So somehow Trump was able to convince Pelosi to try to impeach him. Wow the guy is even more of a genius than previously thought.

The fact is Pelosi was forced to go impeachment because she was loosing control of the party to The Squad et al. She'd hoped to have a quick 'investigation' to justify the pre-determined conviction, then send it to the Senate where it'd fail and the whole messy business would be resolved by Christmas and she'd have clean air for the election year.

But they didn't count on Trump donning war-paint and fighting back - Republicans aren't supposed to do that!!

Now the Democrats have a problem. If it gets to the Senate, it will have to have a trial. And witnesses can be called who testify under oath with no 5th amendment rights. Imagine, Comey, McCabe, Mueller, Biden and his son, Hillary, everyone involved in Fusion GPS, Steele, Mifsud (if they can find him), Downer and a host of others all forced to finally tell the truth under penalty of perjury . New headlines every other day for months. A DNC nightmare.

I'd be willing to bet that Pelosi is now looking for a face-saving way to back out of this insanity.

Shadow Minister may I point out that is YOUR opinion, I have every right to mine
Too the second link, not totally anti Trump, had a view looking for dirt on Biden was not called for or likely to be found
Please explain to me how CONSERVATIVES find Trumps close ties to Russia, Saudi Arabia, North Korea not worth being concerned about
Then tell me why even some REPUBLICANS think he should be impeached
Why too 55 percent of Americans share that view
Donald Trump will fall, America and the world will hear much much more he has done wrong after that event
Then the question must be how did so many act so silly in supporting him
Leaving this question
Can voters ever again, be trusted to think before voting?

Dear Belly,

Everything we have learned recently, and from the
Mueller probe, everything we have seen from Trump's
three years in office - the incompetence, the cruelty,
the corruption, the mendacity - all lead to one
conclusion. Every day that Donald Trump spends in the
White House discredits the office, and shames the country.

In 1974 Richard Nixon wanted to weather the storm. A trio
of Republican leaders - including Senator Barry Goldwater
went to the White House to convince Nixon it was over -
he's lost the party, he'd lost Congress, he'd lost the
country. He'd either resign or face the ignominy of being
impeached and removed.

Nixon announced his resignation the next day.

The political dynamic is different today - with each side
operating from a different set of facts. House Democrats are
almost certain to impeach Trump. The question is whether Senate
Republicans will continue to stand by their President to the
bitter end or will some of them have the courage to tell
him it's over?

Foxy we agree, here and now promise if I understand any thing about politics American in this case
Trump will fall, soon after some of his supporters will charge deep state, Fake news brought this about
However bank on it, many yes many, who support him today will claim they never did
America warts and all, is the only real hope the west has of not falling in a third world war to China, maybe Russia too,but only RETURNING to good government can bring that country to its senses
The very right is powered by rejection of mass migration/refugees in the west
To combat that a middle ground must be taken to defeat the true right in all things

Foxy wrote: "Everything we have learned recently, and from the
Mueller probe,..."

From what I've seen, Foxy and that cabal of TDS suffers here have learned precisely nothing from the Mueller probe. And never will.

"Every day that Donald Trump spends in the
White House discredits the office, and shames the country."

Well many of us would disagree with such outright unevidenced assertion. As would many (a plurality?) of USians. Indeed for some of us, rather than trying to overturn the results of a democratic vote through subterfuge, the US should be trying to work out how to repeal the 22nd amendment.

Foxy, I know you have your silly little fantasies, but there is less than no chance that a cohort of leading Republicans are going to move against Trump based on the absolute non-entity that is Pelosi's impeachment evidence. Although calling it evidence is to stretch that term beyond recognition.