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Trump near the end?

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http://www.9news.com.au/world/donald-trump-news-watergate-journalist-draws-comparison-to-richard-nixon-scandals/6aa4ad7e-e84f-40ad-b482-7c020ed92cc1
Just a week ago I would have bet on Trump winning the 2020 election
In much the same way and much the same manner as last time, the Democrats picking the wrong candidate
That sad but true, may have been picking a woman, America is not ready to vote for a woman POTUS, yet
Now? read the link biased yes, true but still not as much as Fox
Yes it is unlikely in the extreme the Republican controlled Senate will put him on trial
But will he regain his balance? think before speaking? will he continue to tweet without thought
Not saying he is gone, but he may well be
Posted by Belly, Friday, 27 September 2019 1:06:52 PM
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no not taunting any one, my belief about the man is my considered thought
and as the weekend is near here things may progress over the next two days so? lets talk
could post ten links about his current troubles and ten more defending him
but the man is his own worst enemy, if he falls it will be by his own actions no one else
and if the link is right he is up to his chin in doing just that, making it impossible to avoid his final fall
Posted by Belly, Friday, 27 September 2019 1:20:55 PM
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Just listened to the radio on my way home & they were talking about the two Presidents' phone call transcript possibly being made up by some American Lawyers.
Posted by individual, Friday, 27 September 2019 1:31:29 PM
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Belly do stop all this wishful thinking mate, it will rot your brains.
Posted by Hasbeen, Friday, 27 September 2019 1:34:02 PM
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Hasbeen long after he is gone and gone he will be sooner or later your words supporting him will be remembered
Indy what radio? unbelievable any one could think that
His own words in his own voice damn him
Read other than Fox
see the very very true concerns even some Republicans have told of
Posted by Belly, Friday, 27 September 2019 3:14:41 PM
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'Read other than Fox'

why they are the only ones that came close to getting it right with Trump and Morrison. Why read the tantrum throwers who can't accept democracy.
Posted by runner, Friday, 27 September 2019 3:17:11 PM
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Dear Belly,

I really can't predict what will happen in the case
of Trump. Things look serious for the man with
more evidence arriving and being presented to
investigators. What the outcome will be - who knows?
It all depends on his own party members and how they
will view things. I can't predict the outcome -
just as I couldn't predict his win.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 27 September 2019 3:25:53 PM
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And so will yours Belly, but like mine, only by people who don't matter in the large scheme of things.

By the time Trump is recognised as the one who saved the US from the criminal Clintons, you & I will be long gone, & our words will be of no import.

With luck Trump will have saved us from a take over by the disgusting UN. If not, god help our grand kids.
Posted by Hasbeen, Friday, 27 September 2019 6:24:37 PM
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http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/09/27/opinion/trump-impeachment-new-york-times.html
Here in the link [free to read] another side of America will be seen
If we open our eyes, hear what is being said, we surely will be left with this question, how did he ever get elected
We all know a Donald Trump, every town has one, remote from the truth ,ever willing to tell you how good he is
And just maybe the last person you would lend money to
Read the link, combat it, but watch as this developed in to a very very big event in world politics
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 28 September 2019 4:00:33 AM
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http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/sam-clench-the-one-word-that-exposes-donald-trumps-fatal-flaw/news-story/c2d6bab1426151b2b53ab91f62a72d56
This link free to read and Australian
Another view not the Fox fabricated news just the simple truth
This time the man truly is in trouble
Of his own making and it will not go away, the Don is stacking the wood around his own feet
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 28 September 2019 7:53:08 AM
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http://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/even-if-it-fails-impeaching-donald-trump-will-serve-a-noble-purpose-20190927-p52vm7.html\
Free to read again and reality is some will not bother to read but once would have called for the mans head
Old age some times leaves us with fixed views our younger self would not hold
The clown is on the way out
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 28 September 2019 8:28:31 AM
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Belly,
your obsession with Trump is bordering on insanity !
Posted by individual, Saturday, 28 September 2019 10:59:53 AM
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indy sorry in matters of sanity I must look elsewhere, sorry bloke but you do not have the understanding of a flea
Be it days weeks or months we will look back on these few days as the end of Trump
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 28 September 2019 11:41:44 AM
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Oh dear, do you people never learn?

We went through two years of the Russia-gate investigation with Belly, Foxy and SR and any number of others, assuring us that Trump's end was nigh.

But it all turned out to be a crock and indeed the investigations are placing Trump's accusers in jeopardy of jail.

But those who were sure that that nice Mr Mueller would manage to reverse the 2016 election were utterly wrong. Not a little wrong, but utterly wrong.

And now it starts all over again and they demonstrate that they've learned nothing from their past embarrassment. Nothing. They just buy the usual left-leaning media's rubbish and pronounce the end of Trump all over again.

Trump's special power is to make all those who oppose him make utter fools of themselves. Good to see that those powers are still on display.

Its all a nothingburger. To avoid further embarrassment, rather than allowing the usual suspect to lead you down yet another garden path, read the transcript of the telephone conversation.
Posted by mhaze, Saturday, 28 September 2019 12:28:15 PM
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Dear Belly,

Ignore the usual attempts at defense of this
pathetic excuse unfit for office POTUS from
the usual and predictable sources.

Have a read of the following instead:

http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/the-complete-listing-so-far-atrocities-1-546
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 28 September 2019 1:51:34 PM
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OK let me be frank, I claim no brighter intelligence than any one here
But do lay claim to being totally obsessed with learning new things every day
And my obsession saw me post just some of the many current links about Trumps latest dummy spit madness
Read the links, then tell me they came from the fake news lot, but understand fake news is no more than an invention of the American far right
Who manufacture it them selves
Trump, like Boris in England, is well below the office he holds, maybe put there to be just that
As we see some abandon the idea of good government, grasp at foolishness such as them both, who stands to gain
Trump will not be impeached, the investigation will give evidence he should be
But Republicans are built in Trumps mold, picked for nothing other than to support him
He however will fall, he may go in to silent mode, not being heard or seen as much
But his head is far from the only one that would fall if he was impeached, that ensures he will not be
Continued
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 28 September 2019 4:01:20 PM
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Trump may even go on [I think it unlikely] to win the 2020 election
Republicans are now in a fight for their existence in the next ten years, if he falls so do they
But that day will come when all those who hide his sins, madness threats, openly tell us about them
That is the day some of us will see they have been fooled, more will see they let things take place that THEY would scream about had a Democrat done it
Do not throw Clinton at me, she was never the right candidate never fit for the job
In the end MAYBE only maybe, she woke the Democrats up from a long sleep
So take my challenge read the New York link, come back and target me on its contents not your inability to see who Trump truly is
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 28 September 2019 4:09:19 PM
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sorry bloke but you do not have the understanding of a flea
Belly,
Belly,
I'm glad because a parasite I'm not ! I leave that to the Socialists !
Posted by individual, Saturday, 28 September 2019 5:08:50 PM
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Individual,

You just have to be a flea against injustice.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 28 September 2019 6:08:19 PM
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Foxy,
where's the link for your copy/paste quote ?
Posted by individual, Saturday, 28 September 2019 6:35:58 PM
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individual,

You really are a committed little flea.
Keep trying to bite.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 28 September 2019 7:19:18 PM
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Individual,
The socialists make a distinction between parasites and symbionts.
Maybe it's time you did too.
Posted by Aidan, Saturday, 28 September 2019 8:41:11 PM
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Dear Belly,

I'm a little of two minds on this one. Of course I have always kind of enjoyed Hasbeen's president. It is good fun waking up each day to see what corrupt and venal activity he had gotten up to the night before.

The is part of me which would perversely miss him not being on the world stage. I also think the longer he is there the further the swing back will be. Having people like Sanders and Warren as viable candidates for the next president would have been unthinkable a few years ago but now they are proper contenders if not front runners.

But he is in real trouble on this on and it seems he is aware of how deep in he is in. One has admit though, this hasn't been a boring presidency by any stretch.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Saturday, 28 September 2019 10:02:36 PM
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Oh god!Trump has cast a bate, & the Democrats have fallen for it hook line & sinker.

He will now make them look just as stupid as they really are.

It is a pity we have so many in Oz who are just as dumb as the yank Democrats.

Time to now sit back & watch them wriggle.
Posted by Hasbeen, Saturday, 28 September 2019 11:39:40 PM
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Dear Hasbeen,

How on earth do you think you get to call anyone a fool when Trump has played you so completely.

For all your chants about the swamp, the swamp, the swamp it turns out Trump has put more lobbyists into his cabinet already than either Bush or Obama did over their two terms in office.

Not only that;

“Shortly after taking office, Trump signed an executive order that revoked an Obama directive prohibiting lobbyists from being appointed to a post at a federal agency they’d lobbied within the last two years.”

You president is the bloody swamp you clown and you are still puckering up for the buffoon. More the fool you.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Sunday, 29 September 2019 12:57:33 AM
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Is there no limit to the vindictiveness of the Left ? Perhaps they should be left to their own level of competence ? They'd be extinct in weeks !
Posted by individual, Sunday, 29 September 2019 6:38:53 AM
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SteelRedux think much the same, but Hasbeen,s POTUS must go
Hasbeen in this matter only skims the surface of who and what the man is, and adds his own biases to the blokes achievements
In the end this much is true, he was elected
That warns both the Democrats by their inability to pick the right candidate, and Trumps voters,abandoned good government
Face it Boris in England [Corbyn no better] Trump in Fantasy land, America if we insist, are no leader
Could have posted links again, one from nine online telling us Trump is afraid
Another telling us the US recent representative to the country being pressured has chucked in his job
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 29 September 2019 6:50:20 AM
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Drain the swamp, deep state, two of many *self descriptions* Trump supporters invented and use to confuse
Trump uses lies as often as he eats Macas
It is his natural habit, his fall will unmask many who fell for him
Soon the swamp will be drained and the deep state removed both are Trumps inventions and never existed out side his head
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 29 September 2019 12:05:39 PM
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both are Trumps inventions and never existed out side his head
Belly,
What ? the swamp isn't real ? No you really are well & truly off your trolley !
I suppose we can't make you see our own swamp here in Australia because Hawke build a huge outhouse over the top of it.
Posted by individual, Sunday, 29 September 2019 3:34:52 PM
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indy mate! glass houses, never please, never tell any one they are of their block
Time is on my side Trumps fall will let you see the truth, if you can live with it
Mate you introduced insults I only pointed out a truth about you
Fake News is the product of the right, meant to confuse
True you did not need help but some did, confusion is the reason Fake News exists
Trump masters Fake news
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 29 September 2019 3:54:17 PM
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http://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/09/fox-news-trump-ukraine-tucker-carlson-shepard-smith-feud.html
Long read worth hitting on, seems my opinion is far from alone, others see the man much as I do
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 29 September 2019 6:20:31 PM
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never tell any one they are of their block
Belly,
Again you're twisting words. I said trolley not block. A trolley is rolling along whereas a block is immovable i.e. stoic & locked in one position ! Are you denying that there is a swamp ? If there isn't then what is it that gorges on our taxes ?
Posted by individual, Monday, 30 September 2019 6:35:21 AM
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Belly,

Since Trump won the election there were howls from the left to impeach him, and since the Democrats won the majority in Congress there have been a plethora of "inquiries" and fishing expeditions to find enough evidence to start the impeachment process.

While procedurally the congressional democrats could impeach the president for jay walking with a simple majority, the problem for them is that there are checks and balances against a simple partisan impeachment process in that 67/100 Senators have to vote for impeachment. As the Dems hold 48 senate seats they will every Democrat to vote for impeachment and at least 19/52 Republicans.

As all their previous inquiries have come up with no smoking gun, and the phone call to the Ukraine is at worst inappropriate, given that there was no incentive offered, fails the benchmark of "high crimes or treason" the chances of the Dems convincing republicans to vote against Trump will be difficult and the chance of a super majority is zero.

Of course while this plays well to the Dem base, to the rest of the country it looks like yet another desperate attempt to manipulate the process to bring down a democratically elected president. Given that the failure to depose Clinton boosted his ratings, this endeavour by the Dems has the very real and probable risk of seriously backfiring and guaranteeing Trump a second term.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 30 September 2019 8:35:16 AM
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I heard that the employment rate has improved quite a lot since Trump took the reigns.
Of course, that's of no importance to the Left which feeds off the taxpayers anyway.
Posted by individual, Monday, 30 September 2019 10:41:38 AM
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Shadow Minister I respect your biases, know you are brighter than that post
Read each of the links, note their origins then tell me the current trouble Trump is in is Democrat related
Truth is he never was the man you think he was
He by his actions, and Presidency, has ensured after he is gone the Republican party will struggle for years, to recover
This is Trumps own actions, no deep state no swamp, Donald Trump, a man not known to be honesty, not in the least afraid to do business, while POTUS
In fact making money out of being POTUS, too close to Russia, apparently fooled by North Korea,s leader, not interested in the murder ordered by his son in laws mate the head of Saudi Arabia
Openly seeking war with Iran, maybe as a favor with said leader
Openly threatening world trade[ seemingly as a get reelected ploy?
Posted by Belly, Monday, 30 September 2019 11:45:28 AM
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Belly,
You et al hate Trump simply for being the Anti Parasite !
Posted by individual, Monday, 30 September 2019 1:15:56 PM
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Belly,

If you are familiar with my posts, I have never offered anything other than opprobrium for Trump as a person. I have however criticised the democrat left who appear to have been driven batsht crazy and who seem to be manically committing acts of self harm in their efforts to "get Trump"

The massive protests against Trump prior to the election and media coverage essentially gave Trump $bns of free advertising that helped him get elected.

Similarly, the inept, inquiries that come up empty combined with wild overreactions to his behaviour, like the child who cried wolf, is effectively stripping the Democrats of any credibility.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/trump-impeachment-donation-rush-boosts-republican-campaign-coffers-20190930-p52w8n.html

The reaction to this rabid hysteria from the left is boosting donations to Trump's campaign to the point that Trump's war chest for the campaign could reach $2bn.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 30 September 2019 1:21:46 PM
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Shadow Minister I read all your posts, my reference to bias is my view you support Conservatives always and only
Now even that being true some things we agree on, Democrats are in very real danger, even after this, of picking the wrong candidate
True left, in America England and here, do not understand they are
not electable
Bernie could not win a raffle, maybe Biden should clear his name fast or not continue to run
My view that Trump is gone remains, and in my opinion offers hope of sane government again, even a Republican one, at some future date
I would not in today's America, as a Democrat, pick a woman candidate, not this time
Think passionately, a return to picking good candidates/leaders must be first choice
About to grow between now and Christmas the Trump investigation will be unkind but honest in reference to Trump
On it depends good government and only Trumps fall will bring that
Posted by Belly, Monday, 30 September 2019 4:05:20 PM
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This is all helping Ivanka to become the first woman POTUS !
Posted by individual, Monday, 30 September 2019 4:14:13 PM
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It appears Jo Biden does not have a clear record on Ukraine. Mayor Giuliani claims evidence of miss handling of relationship with Ukraine.
Which Democrats are trying to silence, as it damages Biden's credibility.
Posted by Josephus, Monday, 30 September 2019 4:48:33 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHihyFsgJGc
Posted by Josephus, Monday, 30 September 2019 5:23:46 PM
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Belly,
Tell us after listening to the YouTube clip if you think Jo Biden is a more honourable person than Trump? He way assistant to Obama.
Posted by Josephus, Monday, 30 September 2019 5:34:21 PM
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Dear Josephus,

Of course Biden's son's appointment was legalised corruption just like Trump's appointment of his son-in-law as a senior advisor.

But he didn't give him top secret clearance nor was he involved in colluding with the Russians during the last election.

Failed whataoutism I'm afraid. Though it was interesting old Glenn Beck is still poncing around. Lost a bit of the sharpness though.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 30 September 2019 6:06:52 PM
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Hey SteeleRedux,

"Of course Biden's son's appointment was legalised corruption just like Trump's appointment of his son-in-law as a senior advisor."

I reckon Jared Kushner (as well as his good friend Netanyahu that's known him since he was a boy) were probably behind getting Trump to run in the first place.

It was probably never about Trump, but about the Jared and Netanyahu's plans.
That said, Sheldon Adelson was the one who funded his campaign, and on that issue, the Adelsons have now had a public falling out with the Netanyahu's.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/adelsons-tell-police-sara-netanyahu-is-absolutely-crazy-report/
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 30 September 2019 7:38:27 PM
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http://thefederalist.com/2014/05/13/9-questions-to-ask-about-bidens-work-with-a-gas-company-in-ukraine/

http://www.conservapedia.com/Hunter_Biden
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 30 September 2019 7:44:51 PM
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miss handling
Josephus,
Have you got a name for her ?
Posted by individual, Monday, 30 September 2019 9:36:58 PM
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Big News. Another step closer to war with Iran.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/29/houthis-claim-killed-hundreds-saudi-soldiers-captured-thousands
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 30 September 2019 11:08:05 PM
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Belly,

To get rid of Trump before the election would require the democrats to convince the republicans which they are failing miserably at.

To beat him at the election next Nov, they need to show that:
-he is not governing well which in the face of low unemployment, good economic growth and low taxes is a tough call,
-and that the Dems have a viable alternative, which is also a tough call.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 5:45:26 AM
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Josephus quoting known fakers is not evidence
Shadow Minister the inquiry has just started
This Morning
News ABC news SMH New York press, has told us Trump asked Scomo for help!
To undermine the part an ex Australian Minister [Downer] played in starting the first investigation
If big word no evidence yet, Biden has anything to answer for he should step down
Trump will muddy the waters with Fake News about any candidate
Surely open eyes can see the man is lost in his rage filled pain at truth emerging
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 7:35:48 AM
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Ho Ho Ho! Looks like old ScuMo has been doing naughty boy things with Trump. Ho Ho Ho!

He who lives by the sword dies by the sword.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 7:39:12 AM
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Belly, If you watched George Webb channel on YouTube, instead of reading your fake news, you'd know all about Downer.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 7:49:59 AM
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Double, double toil and trouble
Fire burn and caldron bubble
Fillet of a fenny snake
In the caldron boil and bake
Eye of newt and toe of frog
Wool of bat and tongue of dog
Adder's fork and blind-worm's sting
Lizard leg and howler's wing
For a charm of powerful trouble
Like a hell-broth boil and bubble

Double, double toil and trouble
Fire burn and caldron bubble
Cool it with a baboon's blood
Then the charm is firm and good.

(William Shakespeare, Macbeth).
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 11:04:38 AM
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Trump is a bully, a narcissist, a shagger-extraordinary, a braggart, perhaps a thief, an incompetent businessman, and pretty much a thorough turd - but let's not dwell on his good points.

Meanwhile, If I was an American, I would be despairing at the crap quality of Democrat candidates for the presidency. At current rates, Trump will be re-elected. I would be migrating.

Yes, the Democrats will turn up much evidence of Trump's stand-over tactics on the one hand and attempts at bribery on the other in relation to Ukraine (and god knows which other countries). Trump will turn up all manner of illegal doings by Biden's son, and maybe by Biden too. And so on.

None of them are worth a brass razoo. Mind you, they're pretty rare these days.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 11:17:52 AM
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Joe, I wish I was as incompetent a businessman as Trump. If I was I wouldn't be worried about paying my $1000 a quarter electricity bill, [up from $300 a few tears ago], caused by unreliable wind & solar power subsidies. I'd be sitting in my private jet, counting my money.
Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 11:26:26 AM
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Dear Hassie,

You can sit on your own peddle-powered electrical
generator and produce all the power that you want.
Maybe put some extra into the grid.

If you're interested I can put you in contact with
the distributors of the equipment. (smile).
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 11:31:08 AM
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Hasbeen! my bill this quarter, bleeding solar panels! $146 yes dollars
Loudmouth agree, only one current candidate does it for me, the young bloke of Mexican origins
Left greens are lost female unlikely yet, to be elected Democrats may again, pick the wrong candidate
Trump well described by you is quite mad and has been bankrupt several times
One poster supports his business skills ignoring it is mostly thieving that got him there
Some too much, while in office
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 11:46:43 AM
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Trump shouldn't have had to ask Australia for help in getting to the bottom of the Russia collusion hoax.

The government, the Australian intelligence community and perhaps Downer as well should have been rushing to assist Barr, Durham et al to find out what went on and what part we played in helping the FBI to interfere in the US electoral process.

I really hope Downer was a mere witless pawn in this game to frame Papadopoulos but given that we know Downer was enthralled to Clinton in the past, more nefarious possibilities arise.

If Morrison is doing his job and if the Australian Intelligence community aren't in it up to their necks in it, then Morrison already knows the answers to these issues.

All foreign governments involved in assisting the counter-intelligence operation against the Trump campaign are currently weighing their options. They can refuse to help Trump/Barr/Durham and hope to hell that Trump loses in 2020. Or they can open the books so to speak and help Trump et al find out just how badly the DNC/FBI broke US laws. So far it looks like most (Ukraine, Italy, UK) are jumping on the Trump bandwagon.

Hopefully Australia will as well.
Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 1:02:56 PM
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Information coming out of White House sources
tells us that all the latest developments - are
simply a diversionary
tactic fabricated by the Trump team to win sympathy with
supporters to ensure a win at the next election.

We can merely sit back and watch - to see if it works.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 2:01:00 PM
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Dear Hasbeen,

Well what did you do with the start your property mogul father gave you?
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 3:13:39 PM
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Hey Mhaze,

"I really hope Downer was a mere witless pawn in this game to frame Papadopoulos but given that we know Downer was enthralled to Clinton in the past, more nefarious possibilities arise."

Downer was compromised long before this from what I understand.
All this stuff was discussed in depth 12 - 18 mths ago on George Webb's youtube channel.
He only spoke about Downer a little bit here and there and there's no specific video devoted to him.

This might help
http://www.youtube.com/user/georgwebb/search?query=downer

If you dig a bit and watch a few videos you might come across some related info.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/06/boom-rep-devin-nunes-aussie-ambassador-downer-lied-about-launch-of-deep-state-spying-on-trump-campaign-video/
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 3:25:46 PM
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Fake News! always deny the other sides evidence and call it Fake News, it confuses enough to help in the end
But if Trump was a Democrat POTUS?
You would hear the screams for his head on the moon
Latest polling in America warns a twenty percent swing towards impeachment has taken place
How can any one not see at best the man thinks others know more than his CIA and FBI? how can he think we truly started investigating his silly acts?
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 4:02:08 PM
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Dear Belly,

I'm coming to terms with the fact that conservative men
hate change, never want to admit a mistake and cannot
handle certain people - like women, racial and
religious minorities, refugees, immigrants, gay people,
Labor supporters, socialists - being in charge.

Trump is pretending to be their savior, but those in
agriculture and manufacturing in the US should have
figured out already that Trump is not their savior.
The trade war has deeply harmed blue collar households -
and do you think anyone is now in the mood to bail him out?

What I still can't get my head around is - how did this
cruel, vain, ignorant, greedy, egomaniac get into office
in the first place and how come he's still there -
especially since he so frequently flaunts his least
attractive qualities. Are Americans really that stupid?
Or is it because they have been taught since childhood
that the office of the President must be respected at
all costs - and they don't want to set a precedent of
impeachment. Instead they'll grab him when he retires -
with criminal charges. They can't do it while the man's
in office?
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 4:06:51 PM
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Foxy, I suggest you look at the immature behaviour of the Democrat hopefuls. The whole political process is nothing more than a dung fight. They cannot accept a Republican beat Hilary, who is as corrupt as Biden in selling out America.
Posted by Josephus, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 4:31:04 PM
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http://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/29/us/politics/tom-bossert-trump-ukraine.html?action=click&module=RelatedLinks&pgtype=Article
Foxy I share your every thought , too wounder how Conservatives, world wide became focused on money not people
My link stuns me, know about it but being reminded Trump took such dreadful action, in chasing of a phantom?
We are at the start, not near the end, of this investigation, on it hangs a very important out come
Can Republicans rebuild without tea party Trumps followers still in control
The world needs statesmen and women maybe Warren is such a person, but in current America unlikely to be elected because American men fear such a thing
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 4:31:53 PM
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Josephus,

Trump is not a Republican. He only became one
to run for office. If they would have said no to him
he stated he was going to run as an Independent.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 4:47:20 PM
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Mhaze,

My understanding is that Trump inherited $ 600 million in the mid-sixties. If he'd left it in the bank, it would have grown to ten billion or maybe much more. He's been bankrupt at least three times.

Real smart.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 4:56:43 PM
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Dear Josephus,

Perhaps you can enlighten this poor soul. You see I'm having great difficulty in aligning a sincere Christian world outlook with support of a man like Trump.

Your advocacy almost akin to adulation of the man is extraordinary.

There are only two conclusions I can readily come up with in your case.

1. You are not a sincere Christian which is probably the most likely.

2. Or you see Trump exhibiting Christian values in the way he leads his personal life and thus deserving of your support.

Perhaps there is another reason that has escaped me.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 5:23:21 PM
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Loudmouth, for a man to pull himself out of bankruptcy three times and be able to lead a Nation must have some ideas worth looking into.

SR, Trump might not be Christian, but he supports important issues like anti-abortion, Democrats support late term abortions.
Posted by Josephus, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 6:54:26 PM
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Loudmouth,

Thanks for the 'information' but since I haven't made any comments about Trump and his wealth, I wonder why you passed it on.

For the record, you numbers, as best I can work out is woefully wrong. As is your understanding of bankruptcy in the US which is very different to here.

But I don't care one way or t'other. I don't care if Trump is a billionaire or a gazillionaire. I don't care if he made millions or billions. I don't care if he sought bankruptcy protection once or often. I don't care if he grabbed 10 or 100 pussies.

All I care about is his performance as a candidate and then as a president and as an agent for change. And there he is doing amazingly well. The economy booms. The US moves to energy independence. Russia's energy grip on eastern Europe is fracturing. NK cringes. China's economy creaks. Iran also. Jobs up. Black and Hispanic employment more so.

Just as the Democrats realise they can't beat him in the electorate and therefore seek to beat him in the deep state, the TDS crowd realise they can't argue against him on the facts or the presidency instead concentrate on waffle and piffle unrelated to good governance to satisfy their TDS symptoms.

__________________________________________________________

Armchair Critic,

Thanks, but I'm well aware of the details of Downer's part in this saga. The issue is simply whether Downer knew he was meeting Papadopoulos as a deep state setup or was an ignorant dupe. There's insufficient evidence either way.
______________________________________________________________

Foxy wrote: "The trade war has deeply harmed blue collar households".

Any evidence?

Have your favoured sources got around to telling you how China has caved on agriculture tariffs
Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 7:06:33 PM
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'What I still can't get my head around is - how did this
cruel, vain, ignorant, greedy, egomaniac get into office
in the first place and how come he's still there -
especially since he so frequently flaunts his least
attractive qualities. Are Americans really that stupid?'

relax Foxy just think we could of had Hilary who would be Turnbull on steroids. Thank God the public are voting against the globalist, feminist and Marxist. They are anti decency in every sense of the word. Americans might just be a bit smarter than you give them credit for especially the multitudes of black Americans who have prospered under Trump.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 7:24:35 PM
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http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/donald-trumps-ukraine-call-scandal-worse-than-watergate/news-story/4c9d1e1362a099dd7dfdbf0ecbe45972
This free to read link has unfortunate implications
It speaks of 55 percent of Americans wanting the man impeached
Just think 55 percent ready for a better America
Saying openly they at least, did not fall for this mans lies hate racism and a host of other things no POTUS before him would even consider doing
How will Trumps followers justify their failure to see the real man
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 6:24:28 AM
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http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/the-real-takeaway-from-donald-trumps-call-with-scott-morrison/news-story/dc51c611bdd012140dce4240456057b5
In this link the whole story of Trump lives
You only need look to see a childishness, an insistence on chasing a phantom conspiracy he thinks exists to get him
A willingness to hunt that phantom even if it never existed using any tools legal or not, in that hunt
Too a team so remote from reality after having served this man too long they exist only as yes men in a world desperately in need of men brave enough to say no, no more!
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 6:37:43 AM
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Belly,

You are so deep into the anti Trump hysteria that you can't see anything else. For example claiming that the Ukraine phone call is worse than Watergate is ludicrous. Nixon was caught red handed as an accomplice to a felony break and entry, and of obstructing justice while the Ukraine phone call is not a crime in any statue books as the link you proved claims.

Secondly, the claim that 55% of the US want Trump impeached is also bollocks. One small poll indicated that a majority of the US were happy for the inquiry to proceed, but that the desire for him to be impeached ran almost directly along partisan lines.

Face it, Trump will be running in 2020.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 7:31:07 AM
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Earlier I wrote :Trump shouldn't have had to ask Australia for help in getting to the bottom of the Russia collusion hoax. The government, the Australian intelligence community and perhaps Downer as well should have been rushing to assist...."

Well it seems the Australians have been "rushing to assist". All the way back in May they had written to the US officials that they'd provide any and all information the US required.

Morrison just went up a few points in my estimation. A long way to go before I even consider voting Lib again, but baby steps.

____________________________________________________________

Foxy wrote:"Information coming out of White House sources
tells us that all the latest developments - are
simply a diversionary
tactic fabricated by the Trump team to win sympathy with
supporters to ensure a win at the next election."

So somehow Trump was able to convince Pelosi to try to impeach him. Wow the guy is even more of a genius than previously thought.

The fact is Pelosi was forced to go impeachment because she was loosing control of the party to The Squad et al. She'd hoped to have a quick 'investigation' to justify the pre-determined conviction, then send it to the Senate where it'd fail and the whole messy business would be resolved by Christmas and she'd have clean air for the election year.

But they didn't count on Trump donning war-paint and fighting back - Republicans aren't supposed to do that!!

Now the Democrats have a problem. If it gets to the Senate, it will have to have a trial. And witnesses can be called who testify under oath with no 5th amendment rights. Imagine, Comey, McCabe, Mueller, Biden and his son, Hillary, everyone involved in Fusion GPS, Steele, Mifsud (if they can find him), Downer and a host of others all forced to finally tell the truth under penalty of perjury . New headlines every other day for months. A DNC nightmare.

I'd be willing to bet that Pelosi is now looking for a face-saving way to back out of this insanity.
Posted by mhaze, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 11:05:41 AM
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Shadow Minister may I point out that is YOUR opinion, I have every right to mine
Too the second link, not totally anti Trump, had a view looking for dirt on Biden was not called for or likely to be found
Please explain to me how CONSERVATIVES find Trumps close ties to Russia, Saudi Arabia, North Korea not worth being concerned about
Then tell me why even some REPUBLICANS think he should be impeached
Why too 55 percent of Americans share that view
Donald Trump will fall, America and the world will hear much much more he has done wrong after that event
Then the question must be how did so many act so silly in supporting him
Leaving this question
Can voters ever again, be trusted to think before voting?
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 12:29:43 PM
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Dear Belly,

Everything we have learned recently, and from the
Mueller probe, everything we have seen from Trump's
three years in office - the incompetence, the cruelty,
the corruption, the mendacity - all lead to one
conclusion. Every day that Donald Trump spends in the
White House discredits the office, and shames the country.

In 1974 Richard Nixon wanted to weather the storm. A trio
of Republican leaders - including Senator Barry Goldwater
went to the White House to convince Nixon it was over -
he's lost the party, he'd lost Congress, he'd lost the
country. He'd either resign or face the ignominy of being
impeached and removed.

Nixon announced his resignation the next day.

The political dynamic is different today - with each side
operating from a different set of facts. House Democrats are
almost certain to impeach Trump. The question is whether Senate
Republicans will continue to stand by their President to the
bitter end or will some of them have the courage to tell
him it's over?
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 12:58:48 PM
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Foxy we agree, here and now promise if I understand any thing about politics American in this case
Trump will fall, soon after some of his supporters will charge deep state, Fake news brought this about
However bank on it, many yes many, who support him today will claim they never did
America warts and all, is the only real hope the west has of not falling in a third world war to China, maybe Russia too,but only RETURNING to good government can bring that country to its senses
The very right is powered by rejection of mass migration/refugees in the west
To combat that a middle ground must be taken to defeat the true right in all things
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 3:56:03 PM
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Foxy wrote: "Everything we have learned recently, and from the
Mueller probe,..."

From what I've seen, Foxy and that cabal of TDS suffers here have learned precisely nothing from the Mueller probe. And never will.

"Every day that Donald Trump spends in the
White House discredits the office, and shames the country."

Well many of us would disagree with such outright unevidenced assertion. As would many (a plurality?) of USians. Indeed for some of us, rather than trying to overturn the results of a democratic vote through subterfuge, the US should be trying to work out how to repeal the 22nd amendment.

Foxy, I know you have your silly little fantasies, but there is less than no chance that a cohort of leading Republicans are going to move against Trump based on the absolute non-entity that is Pelosi's impeachment evidence. Although calling it evidence is to stretch that term beyond recognition.
Posted by mhaze, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 5:26:24 PM
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mhaze,

The same was said about Nixon. So who knows
what the future holds for Trump.
Interesting times ahead. If I were you though,
I'd not be betting on anything right now.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 6:17:46 PM
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Foxy wrote: "The same was said about Nixon. "

Was it? By whom? Just another one of those things you make up?
Posted by mhaze, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 10:55:29 PM
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Foxy remember Fake News, a term constructed by the American right
It was done so any effort at telling the truth could be branded Fake News
Funny as it seems the only lie here is from those using that term
This morning, think it was nine news site, but may have been news. com, both free to read
Trumps childlike, indeed insane like, thoughts on stopping migrants was spoken of
He TRULY, wanted to dig a mote and fill it with snakes or such at the border
Too wanted troops to? shoot refugees
And sacked those who told him it would be illegal
The man is getting even more rabid every time he speaks
He however proves some voters refuse to understand who they vote for
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 3 October 2019 6:15:45 AM
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mhaze,

All I can politely suggest to you is to read up
on Richard Nixon. The history books are full
of the accounts covering that period. To infer
that I "make things up" is very disrespectful
simply because the views don't agree with yours.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 3 October 2019 9:40:42 AM
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Belly,

That there is a huge difference between Watergate and the Ukraine phone call is a matter of fact that the link you provided supports.

The support for impeachment is more accurately shown here:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/do-americans-support-impeaching-president-trump/

Notably this is split directly down party lines with only 12% of Republicans supporting it. As the senate has to vote 2/3rds in favour of impeachment and is majority controlled by republicans, the chances of Trump being deposed is zero.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Thursday, 3 October 2019 10:52:04 AM
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Shadow Minister show me my words that compared either to the other
Nixon was forced out Trump may be, but Trumps crime is having an extraordinary out of control ego and no real interest in the truth
He has over stepped his allowed role in trying to get help in return for aid, with holding that aid may magnifie his wrongs
Leave all that, just read his tweets over the first three years of his job as POTUS
Tell me it is not a concern
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 3 October 2019 11:48:45 AM
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Foxy wrote:"All I can politely suggest to you is to read up
on Richard Nixon."

Translation - when she said that people had denied that there was a chance of senior Republicans telling Nixon to go, I asked who these people were. Now she tells me to find out for myself ie she doesn't know of any such people and just hoped it was true. She now wants me to do her research for her.

Foxy I've read, and own, three books on the Nixon impeachment saga. I've never read anything like what you assert.

_______________________________________________________________

Shadow Minister,

The 538 poll is all very interesting. But who, after Trump 2016, Brexit and the recent Liberal win, still believes polls?

People lie on polls - I've seen commentators advising their readers to lie so as to deny the opponents the truth. People say what they think the pollster wants to hear. Pollsters (sub?) consciously skew the sample.

Unless a poll shows a greater that 5% margin, I utterly discount it.

____________________________________________________________

Belly wrote :"but Trumps crime is having an extraordinary out of control ego and no real interest in the truth"

If that was an impeachable offence then every president since Washington would have been impeached.

But Belly's attitude is common. They don't care the how or the why they just want the 2016 election overturned. But don't dare say they are anti-democracy.
Posted by mhaze, Thursday, 3 October 2019 12:35:44 PM
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"It was done so any effort at telling the truth could be branded Fake News"

Continually repeating a lie doesn't make it true Belly.
I told you already the right were using the term 'fake news' long before the corporate media started using it.
Do you hear me? LONG BEFORE.

I remember it being used around the end of George W. Bush presidency, and definitely when Obama was President in relation to Libya consulate blamed on the video offending Muhammad.

The right were using the term 'fake news' in relation to things that have since been proven to be fake news.
The left appropriated the term probably Hillary herself helped popularise it, to deflect from criticisms of her and the Clinton Foundation.
And Hillary learned about doing these types of things from her mentor Saul Alinsky.

"This morning, think it was nine news site, but may have been news. com, both free to read
Trumps childlike, indeed insane like, thoughts on stopping migrants was spoken of"

From what I understand, the most important news regarding Trump in the last 24 hours is that he tweeted about a 'coup' against him.

"As I learn more and more each day, I am coming to the conclusion that what is taking place is not an impeachment, it is a COUP, intended to take away the Power of the People, their VOTE, their Freedoms, their Second Amendment, Religion, Military, Border Wall, and their God-given rights as a Citizen of The United States of America!"

http://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1179179573541511176
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 3 October 2019 12:56:43 PM
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I did not say that people had denied that there was
a chance of senior Republicans telling Nixon to go.

On the contrary, I spoke about Senator Barry Goldwater
and others visiting Nixon. And he resigning a
day later.

Which proved to be in the best
long term interest of the party. I also stated that it
was a different situation now with Trump. Abandoning
Trump will do as well. Trump needs to be exorcized from
the party of Lincoln and Reagan.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 3 October 2019 2:18:33 PM
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Foxy,

You said people went to Nixon to tell him to go (that's true)

I said there's no chance that will happen with Trump - ie that senior Republicans would go and tell him to go.

You said that's what they said about Nixon as well.

I asked who said it

You showed you had no idea who'd said or even if it had been said ie that you just made up the claim that someone had said it.

You are now in water-muddying mode. I always enjoy your water-muddying efforts.

_______________________________________________________________

For the benefit of those who rely on the New York Times, SMH, ABC for their understanding of what's going on at the moment (ie those who have been lied to for 3 years and want to continue to be lied to) this little summary by the inestimable Anne Coulter might help with getting up to date .... http://townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/2019/10/02/you-ask-a-lot-of-questions-for-a-president-n2554082

Oh and just for fun, Trump's entry for the greatest tweet of all time...

http://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2019/10/02/look-at-this-photograph-trump-tweets-video-involving-biden-his-son-ukraine-and-nickelback-and-were-officially-dead/
Posted by mhaze, Thursday, 3 October 2019 2:44:05 PM
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mhaze,

I stated - "The political dynamic is different
today - with each side operating from a different set
of facts. House Democrats are almost certain to impeach
Trump. The question is whether Senate Republicans will
continue to stand by their President to the bitter end
or will some of them have the courage to tell him it's
over."

As they did with Nixon.

The meaning should be clear even to you.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 3 October 2019 2:57:05 PM
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mhaze let me be frank, brutally so, you are never going to be a person I consider well informed
STOP attributing your thoughts to me
2016 saw the wrong candidate stand for both sides
In my view highlighted the American electoral system needs a total over haul
Not having an opposition leader from the day after the result is known'
Thinking Clinton or another Bush was the real deal enforces that view
Trump lives by the support of under informed folk like you
He like Boris and Corbyn should not be near government unless the are cleaners mop and buck in hand
Worth noting, every view mine and yours has a right to be heard
But you, constantly, invent words I never said or think and attribute them to me
One month, just that, will see far different views about Trump appearing
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 3 October 2019 3:57:16 PM
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"The meaning should be clear even to you."

Sure is. You made a claim that you can't support and are now trying hard to hide it. The critical sentence is your saying "The same was said about Nixon. ". But it wasn't. You know it but won't acknowledge it. Same old, same old.

Belly,

"STOP attributing your thoughts to me"

Wanna show me an example of my doing that.

"In my view highlighted the American electoral system needs a total over haul"

Yes, if its going to elect people you (and the left) don't like then clearly it needs to be changed. oh I hear that Russia has a electoral system that might be more to your liking...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1950_Soviet_Union_legislative_election

"But you, constantly, invent words I never said or think and attribute them to me"

Wanna show me an example of my doing that.

"One month, just that, will see far different views about Trump appearing"

OK I'll make a calendar note. One month from now. I'd start working on an exit route now if I were you.
Posted by mhaze, Thursday, 3 October 2019 5:12:53 PM
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mhaze,

I can't be held responsible for your comprehension
skills or lack of.

Same old, same old, indeed.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 3 October 2019 5:32:42 PM
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Hey Belly,
Lee Stranahan says he's the worlds best investigative journalist.

Do you sense it? THE COUP is gettin exposed. Here's what I need from YOU.
http://youtu.be/PKi2hlBRtBo
(contains some swearing)
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 3 October 2019 5:50:23 PM
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I'll show you some fake news.
I hadn't actually been paying any attention to news lately, but I did decide to read this article before:

http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/one-killer-line-in-the-transcript-of-donald-trumps-phone-call/news-story/2db9ca448618725b7fe7ac8b8ecd3ac2

Holy crap, I don't even know where to start...

So they are saying this:

"CrowdStrike is a cybersecurity firm that investigated the hack of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) in 2016. America’s intelligence agencies eventually concluded Russia was behind that hack.

Mr Trump has repeatedly cast doubt on their conclusion.

Over the past couple of years, he has pushed a conspiracy theory that during its investigation, the Federal Bureau of Investigation failed to seize a DNC server containing important information about the hack.

There is no such server. It is a figment of the President’s imagination."

But hang on, how come I can find this?

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/388507-trump-why-didnt-dnc-hand-over-hacked-server-to-fbi

What do they think I'm dumb?
Is this some kind of Jedi mind trick?

Why are all these people saying its a conspiracy theory when Comey himself said it as Director of FBI?

I'll show you something else; this is actually really quite interesting and important if you're willing to follow along for a minute.

Watch this video, it's George Webb and girl known as Task Force.
That's what she called herself I assume for anonymity.
Her real name is Jenny Moore and she was investigating things alongside George, but not always together.

Day 19.3. Capitol Live With Task Force - Server Search For DNC and DCCC
http://youtu.be/1HJTsz7zqwI

Look at the comments:
Look at the date - July 17 2018.
Even the second last comment says "Task force, you've been missed. Nice to hear your input today"
You can see that right?

Well the poor girl was dead less than a month later.
I don't like using Snopes but it confirms her death.
http://www.snopes.com/fact-check/jen-moore-death/
"Whether Moore actually interviewed a subject who made such allegations, and whether Moore in fact reported those allegations to the DHS and FBI shortly before her death remains unconfirmed."

One thing we KNOW for sure from that video, was that she was looking for the server.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 3 October 2019 9:41:58 PM
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Trump would love AC and mhaze as much as his nightly box of big Macs
So good to know fake news worked
Murdock too would grin and be happy this morning, his boy, mini Trump, Scomo has put the boot in to the UN
As we near a war with China history will note Trump weakened the west and in doing so let the war come about
China has been asked by? Trump! to investigate Biden!
While Joe probably has nothing to hide he SHOULD get out of the race because some insist on believing anything
We can then watch the Don target yet another would be POTUS and make fake news about them
Posted by Belly, Friday, 4 October 2019 6:25:46 AM
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http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/why-didnt-donald-trump-say-the-word-jockstrap/news-story/33c8f58ee9c61a548d535b0d91a64f2f
Well he seems to think so, his histrionics are getting worse by the hour as seen in this link
Posted by Belly, Friday, 4 October 2019 3:27:22 PM
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Belly,
I don't really support Trump anymore.
But that doesn't mean I'll ever support Democrats instead.
- I'm going 'None of the above' at this point -

I supported him on the basis of his nationalist campaign rhetoric, and anti-war stance but he lost me with his Israel first stance and not being firmer on foreign intervention type stuff.

To be honest with you though I don't really think Trumps has ever been running the show as much as you think.

And that story you added...
'Jockstrap'

Those useless reporters of yours are really scraping the bottom of the toilet bowl now for stories now hey.
- And what that does is reflect on how lazy, incompetent and inept they are at actual journalism and chasing a real story.

And who even cares about that, it's not news...
More like heroin for those with TDS, sorry.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 4 October 2019 9:20:52 PM
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Belly,

The transcript of the conversation is clear that Trump offered no financial aid or any incentive for the Ukrainian President to investigate Joe Biden's son with respect to corruption.

The democrats accusation is that the aid was implied, which in any reasonable court is not worth the paper it is printed on.

That Joe Biden threatened to remove $1bn in aid unless the Ukraine president fire the prosecutor investigating his son's company is a clear conflict of interest irrespective of the merits of the investigation.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Saturday, 5 October 2019 4:08:39 AM
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http://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/how-a-tale-of-sabotage-took-root-in-trump-s-oval-office-20191004-p52xmj.html
Shadow Minister we differ we always will, but you are brighter than this
Read the link know it could be one of hundreds I could post
But try not to ignore basically Trump is acting like a big spoiled kid
AC well remember me telling you to be aware, stay focused?
And warning, yep warning, a host of false conspiracy theory's exist? and that the do so to keep us thinking they all are, Mate you are feeding on the false ones
Trump may well be only a front, for those truly wanting control
Right now IF some one came out, told us the truth about him, and offered to fix America, stop the wars,all of them, we could see them welcomed as heroes
And ten years after be living in a world wide or near it, Dictatorship
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 5 October 2019 6:41:35 AM
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Well think remains unread but the truth is not hidden
Trumps efforts to find wrongs Biden did have no grounds
His request for help ignored the truth, that country has investigated those claims multiple times and came up with nothing
This impeachment can not get Republicans to carry it out but it will be the end of Trump
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 5 October 2019 3:38:09 PM
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Dear Belly,

I admire your tenacity in continuing to be
patient with people who simply continue to
defend the US President's scandalous behavior.

Obviously they don't listen to the news currently
coming out of the US.

I wouldn't bother arguing. Lets just see what
develops.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 5 October 2019 3:45:44 PM
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Foxy,

Trump's behaviour is bad, I have never claimed otherwise. The problem that left whingers seem to have is conflating bad behaviour with illegal behaviour.

What I am pointing out is that while what Trump is doing is doing is unethical, it is not illegal, and by trying to impeach Trump they are destroying his strongest electoral rival in Biden, and filling Trump's electoral coffers.

And as I pointed out many times without convincing the republican Senate, it is a pointless exercise.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Sunday, 6 October 2019 3:19:09 AM
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http://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/amid-impeachment-talk-trump-voters-see-cynicism-for-all-as-safest-bet-20191005-p52xv0.html
The link is the most telling thing I ever posted about Trumps supporters
Too in a weird way, highlights a truth, those the least likely to benefit from him, in fact his first victims support him the most
If you only try the link to look at a sad photos, several of them, of Trump country, or to roll on the floor laughing at one red neck hater who is unsure why people avoid his business you will find a grin there
Shadow Minister,with true respect, no crap, we will never see eye to eye but could have a cup of coffee without fuss
Mate your use of the term left is telling,it brands you extreme in thought if not fact
I fall out with folk, even LABOR , BECAUSE I know, the true left are dreamers, never ever going to rule here
And until my party understands like the Greens the true left are dreamers,have five at least who will never ever vote for them for every vote they get
Your support of the worlds weirdest ever leader is in part blind support for his right of reality position
I proudly am a center unity centrist with hopes for an inclusive welfare and yes in part better system, we will be the party that delivers just hoping you one day see your right is at war with those with less read the link have a laugh ask your self is this man sane?
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 6 October 2019 6:19:41 AM
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'Joblessness across the US hit a 50-year low last month, easing fears about a possible recession amid President Trump’s trade war with China.'

Just in case you only watch the abc or read the lying liberal media. Just saying.

https://nypost.com/2019/10/04/us-unemployment-rate-falls-to-3-5-a-50-year-low/?fbclid=IwAR3IMQl1KbCA9t0GE6AG3W3c6XsRvzYNrDr9OOh88Oipx19llpemLZgaLfc
Posted by runner, Sunday, 6 October 2019 9:33:30 AM
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Dear Belly,

I can't help wondering how many Republicans approve
of the job Trump is doing in office and how many
want him impeached and removed from office?

Utah Senator Mitt Romney has suddenly made his
anti-Trump position quite clear. How many more are there
like him?
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 6 October 2019 10:22:15 AM
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Wish runner would read the link it will not bite
Foxy estimation, right now my party in NSW is in it again, only a few who let us down
But in my party some, about 30 percent, want to hide it
About 40 percent are disgusted [put me in that number]
Other 30 percent? like all party's vote only for us/their team, but know beggar all about politics
Trump, and Republicans know it, if he falls [when] will dump them ,Republicans, right in it for about the same length of time NSW Labor [not out of it yet] was dumped after the very rich trash saw us pelted out of government
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 6 October 2019 11:05:54 AM
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OK lets rap it up, we have had many threads about the man, we will have many more
I posted this expression of my thoughts, armed with the truth
Trump will not be impeached he is clearly guilty, read the papers
But Republicans, in the senate, will never convict him'
Some are hooked on the madness ,deep state, drain the swamp, even branding me, leftist
They not me, will cringe as the next few months see,s their little King with no cloths revealed for the very real danger to his country and the west he is
Too his fall is assured, not impeachment, his current actions seem bound to see him laughed out of office
So last request to my detractors, read the links see another view, maybe see the truth not your fake news
Posted by Belly, Monday, 7 October 2019 7:13:08 AM
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Trump will be re-elected.
Posted by Is Mise, Monday, 7 October 2019 2:37:40 PM
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Will remember that want to bet on it?
Three months till Christmas the man has hard ground to cover and it seems he may even fake illness and not run
Then November by that time America may be in recession , maybe the whole world too
Posted by Belly, Monday, 7 October 2019 3:02:52 PM
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Dear Belly,

It seems that there's another whistle blower that's
on the scene. And the US President looks to be getting
more hysterical in his tweeting.

What a peculiar situation. And the Democrats don't
seem to have any strong contenders for the top job.

It will be interesting to see how history will judge
all this. Watching the American news programs - the
entire fiasco is unreal. And who can predict how it
will all end. I'm not making any predictions.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 7 October 2019 3:15:39 PM
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Hey Belly,
It doesn't matter what Trump says or does.
The Fed says the economy's going off the cliff in 2020.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-07/bernanke-says-u-s-economy-faces-wile-e-coyote-moment-in-2020
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 7 October 2019 4:19:08 PM
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Dear runner,

"The ISM said its index of national factory activity dropped 1.3 points to a reading of 47.8 last month, the lowest level since June 2009, when the Great Recession was ending. A reading below 50 indicates contraction in the manufacturing sector, which accounts for about 11% of the U.S. economy."

...

"While the ISM index needs to drop below the 42.9 level to signal a recession in the broader economy, economists said its continued slide posed a huge risk to the longest economic expansion in history."

“This is serious,” said Torsten Slřk, chief economist at Deutsche Bank Securities in New York. “There is no end in sight to this slowdown, the recession risk is real.”

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-economy/us-manufacturing-dives-to-10-year-low-as-trade-tensions-weigh-idUSKBN1WG47G
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 7 October 2019 6:13:06 PM
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Foxy true and to the point AC yes true too, it is the economy, BUT
Could have posted more links this morning, include even republicans disturbed by Trumps betrayal of the Kurds
And his tax returns, refusal to obey a court ruling
But look at these free to read sites news com, nine, and SMH [NOT AS FREE]
Find Trumps self description about his intelligence
Read the difference, some did not print his freakish trip in to la la land, why?
The economy is not going to stay good, if it is that is
Trump is wandering closer to insanity each day
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 8 October 2019 6:21:34 AM
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There is a perverse part of me which will miss the orange buffoon when he has gone.

This delicious tweet from him over night was a ripper;

"As I have stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!)."

Fantastic.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 8 October 2019 9:05:42 AM
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Only in America!
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 8 October 2019 9:31:27 AM
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Dear Steele,

But wait ...

Didn't we have a treasurer who came to Question Time
with a lump of coal?

"This is coal," the treasurer triumphantly brandishing the
trophy as if he had just stumbled across an exotic species
previously thought to be extinct.

"Don't be afraid,"he said soothingly.

" Don't be scared."

He's now our PM.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 8 October 2019 9:44:53 AM
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SteelRedux shame is his supporters will ignore reading that at all costs
It was the thing I reported when I mentioned those free to read sites
Too highlighting some of them did not report those words
Trump has weakened the west
His deal? with Turkey is evidence his America is to become isolationist
No deal done with the fool can be trusted
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 8 October 2019 10:48:09 AM
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I read an interesting article the other day with regards impeachment.

With the democrat dominated congress throwing everything at Trump, they should be cognizant of the consequences of voting to impeach Trump.

If congress votes to impeach Trump, the republican senate then runs a "trial" in which they can subpoena pretty much anyone or anything and which the "witnesses" have no protection under the 5th amendment.

For example they can call for testimony from Pelosi, her tax records, that of Biden, Sanders, Warren etc, and keep the "trial" running until November next year.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 8 October 2019 1:02:56 PM
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Shadow Minister thanks, for confirming you will clasp any straw to prop up a right wing government
He WILL NOT BE IMPEACHED
The numbers tell us clearly that at least
He will be either before or after the 2020 election be forced out, even fake an illness
But a very real mental breakdown chance exists see steelredux copy of the mans latest madness
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 8 October 2019 1:22:52 PM
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It might have escaped both 'left' and 'right' here, in your pissy 'arguments' (get a room, for god's sake) that Trump is about to abandon the Kurdish freedom fighters to the mercy of Erdogan's Turks. You know, the people who have done most of the fighting against ISIS, and are currently responsible for holding eighty thousand ISIS-supporters in camps in northern Syria.

I suppose nothing should surprise us about this vile creature in his betrayal of the Kurds. So the US will back out of the Middle East ? And Afghanistan, as Trump leaves that to the Taliban ? What a contemptible, gutless excuse for a human being.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Tuesday, 8 October 2019 4:00:57 PM
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Another day and more Trump derangement syndrome.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 8 October 2019 4:59:01 PM
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Runner,

So it's not deranged to leave the Kurds, surely our best allies in the Middle East, to the mercy of the Turkish armed forces, so generously supplied by the US ?

Perhaps you're right: deranged is not the right word. Do you have a better word ?

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Tuesday, 8 October 2019 5:10:49 PM
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Joe,

Trump consistently co-mingles facts and fiction -
perhaps no longer able to distinguishing between
the two. The man should be medically examined.
Self delusional or monomaniacal or unhinged are
words that come to mind. Or putting it more
crudely - We may not be perfect - but that man's
nuts!
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 8 October 2019 7:31:53 PM
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President Jared Kushner...
Trumps been making some erratic twitter statements in recent days.
Some are wondering if he's deliberately making the case 'unfit for office'.

Line of succession goes like this:
Trump is impeached, making Pence President.
President Pence elects Jared Kushner as his Vice President; Then:
Presisent Pence is impeached and Vice President Kushner becomes President.

Impeachment Line of Succession: Trump, Pence... then Kushner?
http://youtu.be/F4MkCH6dWMA
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 8 October 2019 7:47:38 PM
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Dear Loudmouth,

It wasn't because he was gutless but rather like everything else it is the money. Trump doesn't even hide what he is ding. This was him in 2015;

"Trump made the comment in a Breitbart News interview in December 2015 during his presidential campaign when asked how he would handle Turkey and Syria."

“I have a little conflict of interest ’cause I have a major, major building in Istanbul,” Trump boasted in response. “It’s a tremendously successful job. It’s called Trump Towers — two towers, instead of one, not the usual one; it’s two. And I’ve gotten to know Turkey very well. They’re amazing people, they’re incredible people. They have a strong leader.”

He is just so brazenly corrupt that you almost have to admire it. He has such confidence in his followers that he knows whatever he does they will be lining up to make excuses for him and he just plays them time and time again.

Zero filters also and kind of refreshing to be honest. With most politicians the corruption that we know is likely to be there is instead covered up. But with filterless Trump we see it in its rawest form. Really interesting to watch.

Dear runner,

Why do you constantly project? How more apt a title could we have for just how far people like you have your lips firmly planted on this bloke's backside?
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 8 October 2019 10:09:02 PM
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Belly,

It is left whinge hysterics like you that put Trump in power because of the narcissistic focus on identity politics and faux causes while ignoring the bread and butter issues that working people care about.

In May, the coalition was a mess and a half competent Labor leader with genuine social policies would have romped in. However, Labor put in leader with a dodgy past with huge taxing policies and a ruinous climate agenda that would have pushed the cost of living through the ceiling and destroyed jobs.

It is ironic how the conservative side of politics seems to represent the working and middle classes that the left have abandoned
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 9 October 2019 1:15:51 AM
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SM gee you are stuck in a position you will need to deny after the fool falls
Indy has it right loudmouth, however the absolute lunacy is on his side
Trump [read his words about how wise he is] is betraying the Kurds
Murdering them
And the lunatics still supporting him are complacent
The west has been weakened dreadfully by this insane man
Latest to turn on him is his staunchest supporter and Republican
Republicans know, they are in deep trouble, and are standing by him ONLY because his fall will cripple them for a decade
It will still take place
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 9 October 2019 4:53:38 AM
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Belly,

Considering that I have made no predictions with respect to the 2020 US elections, I don't have a position to defend.

What I am doing is demonstrating how the left whinge democrats are self sabotaging. As it has finally dawned on even you that the chances of Trump being deposed is zero, and already Biden the only moderate democratic candidate is severely damaged leaving Warren the far left candidate now in the lead.

If the race was between Biden and Trump, I believe that Trump would have lost, but the moderate voters are likely to take a very different view of Warren, as she is far left and having been caught out in more than one porkie is not going to help her case.

Given that Warren is supposedly preferred by 4% points over Trump (Clinton was preferred by between 10% and 20%) I would say that the election is anyone's guess at this point.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 9 October 2019 10:42:49 AM
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Shadow Minister first and last Clinton lost the election powered by a sleeping Democrat party she gave us Trump
Stop right there
Trump gave us scandal after scandal, laugh after laugh
This latest evidence the west can no longer trust America, the impending blood bath/murder of the Kurds?
It was not the Democrats who bought this impeachment on
Trump did it, he, mad as he clearly is,may, as even I did at first, think it will help him hurt Democrats
He cooked his own Goose he daily re-enforces the view he may even be in the early stages of that sad mental decline all our age fear
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 9 October 2019 3:14:18 PM
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In a 2 party system there's just as much of a chance:
- That people are voting for who they don't want to get elected;
- As much as they are voting for who they do want to get elected.

People voting for who (or what) they don't want elected is not the same as people voting for who (or what) they do want to get elected.

If everyone's voting for who and what they don't want;
Then there's no reason to create better policies so people will vote for what they do want?

The 2 party system is flawed democracy.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 9 October 2019 3:29:44 PM
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AC it will always be my view two party system works better than anything else
First however this morning Trumps betrayal of the west, his own country, and the Kurds is shameful
Back to two party system, look at the history of Italian governments post world war two
So many elections failures and governments
Yes you may think having many is ok in my view it weakens democracy
EG one nation greens the far right few having power well over the value of their voters
We can never get perfection results will always be only best we can achieve
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 10 October 2019 5:51:37 AM
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Belly,

Your assessment of the Democrat presidential campaign is more than a little flawed as the dems far outspent Trump both in advertising, rallies and activists on the ground. (as did Labor in May) The failings were the policies and agendas which focused more on idealogical fads and ignored the bread and butter issues leading to the working class abandoning Clinton.

Of course the Democrats brought on the impeachment inquiry. It was announced by Pelosi a Democrat. The impeachment inquiry is essentially a rebadging of the inquiries into Trump since the Dems got control of the house. The reason that there was no formal vote on the issue as is normally required is because Pelosi couldn't be sure of getting a majority.

The Democrats have as yet no criminal case against Trump and the flurry of Subpoenas are essentially a huge fishing operation which is the equivalent of declaring someone guilty and then holding a trial to discover the evidence, which is why Trump has essentially shut it down.

With respect to Syria, I am shocked at Trump's action, however, given that Obama and Clinton did sod all when the Syrian gassed their own or ISIS initially ran rampant, the Dems are in no place to lecture anyone today.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Thursday, 10 October 2019 10:20:00 AM
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I see no flaw in my view but do see you SM introduced a different path Clinton was clearly the wrong candidate, even Russia thought so
And acted on that thought
Trump, by his own words forced the impeachment to start, he feeds it daily with other weird words some on twitter
His betrayal [read the lunatic justifications] of Kurds warns us all, he has weakened the west, may not even try to hide that in future actions
We can not trust Trumps America
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 10 October 2019 10:52:23 AM
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Ah Trump delivers yet again.

“They didn’t help us in the Second World War; they didn’t help us with Normandy,” Trump said of the Kurds, who played a vital role in the US-led campaign against ISIS.
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-abandoning-kurds-syria-didnt-help-during-wwii-allies-2019-10?r=US&IR=T

I can't help it, he just cracks me up every time.

Dear Shadow Minister,

You wrote; “(as did Labor in May)”.

Did any part of your brain pause for even just a moment while you were typing that out?

Clive bloody Palmer spent $60 million on anti-Labour advertising. Why no mention of it?

And you wrote earlier;

“Warren, as she is far left and having been caught out in more than one porkie is not going to help her case”

My God. “more than one porkie”? The count for your president is now in the thousands.
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/

Why would you even bother going there? Cognitive dissonance writ large.

As to this;

“The Democrats have as yet no criminal case against Trump and the flurry of Subpoenas are essentially a huge fishing operation which is the equivalent of declaring someone guilty and then holding a trial to discover the evidence, which is why Trump has essentially shut it down.”

What part of your President's illegal pressuring of a foreign government to act against his political rival do you find unsubstantiated?
Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 10 October 2019 10:57:40 AM
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Ah Trump delivers yet again.

“They didn’t help us in the Second World War; they didn’t help us with Normandy,” Trump said of the Kurds, who played a vital role in the US-led campaign against ISIS.
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-abandoning-kurds-syria-didnt-help-during-wwii-allies-2019-10?r=US&IR=T

I can't help it, he just cracks me up every time.

Dear Shadow Minister,

You wrote; “(as did Labor in May)”.

Did any part of your brain pause for even just a moment while you were typing that out?

Clive bloody Palmer spent $60 million on anti-Labour advertising. Why no mention of it?

And you wrote earlier;

“Warren, as she is far left and having been caught out in more than one porkie is not going to help her case”

My God. “more than one porkie”? The count for your president is now in the thousands.
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/

Why would you even bother going there? Cognitive dissonance writ large.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 10 October 2019 11:55:19 AM
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SR,

Did Trump actually say (or tweet) " .... “They didn’t help us in the Second World War; they didn’t help us with Normandy,” ...." ?!

At the time, the Kurds were a powerless minority in Iran ('neutral' during the War), Turkey ('neutral' during the war), Syria (under the Vichy French regime), and Iraq (under the British).

If so, that's utterly appalling. What on earth were the Kurds supposed to do back then ? Is this turd trying to cancel out the huge contributions by the Kurds to the defeat (so far) of ISIS, so that he can abandon them ? I was going to write, " ... in good conscience", but Trump has none. His brothel-owning grandfather probably had more. Nah.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Thursday, 10 October 2019 12:33:10 PM
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http://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/this-is-war-trump-impeachment-opens-fresh-divisions-at-fox-news-20191010-p52zfi.html
At least read it, then rip me to pieces with your wit, or lack of it
This news manufacturing company invented fake news
Mastered the art, its invention throws smoke over real truth, it is like a ww2 warship sailing on a sea of manufactured lies, trying to hide the truth at any cost
BUT cracks are appearing, some have let truth in
This link reminds open minded thinkers truth indeed matters
One future day, maybe long after we are dead, the factory will sink, truth will win
Until that day a huge bank of very very poor behavior is waiting to be uncovered
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 10 October 2019 4:05:54 PM
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Dear Loudmouth,

Yup he said it and even doubled down on it.

This is an interesting take from a reddit post regarding an interview with a Kurdish fighter about a fortnight ago;

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http://youtu.be/0_IFvcoRTmo

This is a great podcast interviewing a Kurdish soldier on the ground in North Syria. He details how one of their biggest issues is having thousands of isis prisoners, many of whom are foreign fighters that came in via turkey but can't be returned to countries like Australia, the UK, etc cause they reject them. These are Australian citizens that Australia won't take responsibility for. These isis fighters are likely to be freed now that kurdish forces are relocating to defend against Turkey.

He also details how ISIS insurgents continue in cities to cause terror, literally using civilians as human shields. And notes that fighting Turkey means that the fight against the last remnants of ISIS can't continue.

To sell out the most effective combatants against ISIS and a great ally like this is truly one of the worst foreign policy decisions I've witnessed in my short life. Second only to the Iraq and Libya wars.

Its almost like our conservative governments want ISIS to reform.

End quote.

Ah Mr Trump, you never fail to disappoint. In fact you are extraordinarily good at it.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 10 October 2019 7:01:31 PM
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Every morning the news about Trump starts with his latest tweets
It should be enough to question the sanity of his supporters
He has me both rolling on the floor laughing and wanting to scream at those ignoring he is unfit to be a gate keeper at the White House
Posted by Belly, Friday, 11 October 2019 6:42:30 AM
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Wow.

So Lindsay Graham gets pranked by a couple of Russian comedians posing as the Turkish Minister of Defense.
http://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/10/lindsey-graham-trump-hoax-call-043991

In it “Graham also mentions Trump’s personal interest in a “Turkish bank case” in the call that appears to refer to a U.S. case involving Reza Zarrab, an Iranian-Turkish gold trader and client of Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani.”

So why the interest in a case that Giuliani tried to lobby Trump on two years ago?

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“And this case involving the Turkish bank, he’s very sensitive to that,” Graham said of Trump. “The president wants to be helpful, within the limits of his power.”

According to U.S. prosecutors, Zarrab and others used the Turkish bank Halkbank to “launder billions of dollars-worth of Iranian oil proceeds, ultimately creating a slush fund for Iran to use however it wished — the very harm that U.S. sanctions were put in place to avoid.” A senior banker at Halkbank was found guilty of working to evade sanctions on Iran, and Halbank itself could still face fines by the Treasury Department.

Zarrab also had ties to the Turkish government, according to a memo written in 2016 by former U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara, and was “engaged in a massive bribery scheme... paying cabinet-level [Turkish] governmental officials and high-level bank officers tens of millions of Euro and U.S. dollars” to facilitate his transactions.

Erdogan, wary of corruption being revealed in open court, fiercely lobbied high-level Obama administration officials for Zarrab's release after his 2016 arrest, the Washington Post reported at the time. At one point he even asked Vice President Joe Biden to have Bharara fired. Erdogan also sent his justice minister at the time to meet with then-Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch and argue that the case was "based on no evidence."

End quote

So why is Trump now 'sensitive' to it? Because by helping others cover corruption he expects the same from those same world leaders.

What a massive bloody swamp this man is involved in and what a deliciously base individual he really is.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Friday, 11 October 2019 10:07:32 AM
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Trump [no fairdinkum think this] may have been black mailed by the dictator of Turkey,
He may have just been doing a favor for Putin
Or his business dealings, not stalled while POTUS may have brought about this invasion
Now tell me, what past office holder would anyone think that could be true about?
It will be uncovered the truth that is,but the most horrible truth is there right in front of us
American voters thought he would be a good POTUS!
Posted by Belly, Friday, 11 October 2019 10:53:03 AM
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SR,

Ever since you stated that Trump was beholden to the Russians your credibility has been shredded. Again without any evidence you are claiming that Trump "illegally" pressured the Ukraine government to provide information on an open case to the US government.

What would be illegal would be threatening the government withdrawing $1bn in aid if the government didn't fire a prosecutor that was investigating a company for corruption that had hired your unqualified and inexperienced son for a vast sum.

Secondly, Labor outspent the coalition nearly 2:1 and that's without counting labor's proxies of the unions and getup who would probably triple that. That Palmer who has no connection to the coalition spent a fortune on advertising including some attack ads against labor is irrelevant. Labor lost because of crappy policies.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Friday, 11 October 2019 11:32:19 AM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

Why would my credibility be 'shredded' when the president was not cleared of collusion but only there was insufficient evidence to convict.

As to "Again without any evidence you are claiming that Trump "illegally" pressured the Ukraine government to provide information on an open case to the US government.".

Well no, that is what the whistle blower is claiming and the fact that their evidence was sent to the intelligence committees unopposed in the Senate shows the body as a whole thinks this has merit.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Friday, 11 October 2019 11:58:21 AM
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SR,

The Mueller report found no evidence of Trump's collusion with the Russians, Mueller's testimony to congress (which I watched) made that patently clear which didn't stop you claiming the opposite.

Secondly, the whistleblower was not actually privy to the conversation, and reported 2nd or 3rd hand information which was contradicted by the actual transcript of the meeting.

What is clear is that while Trump asked for information WRT an open case in Ukraine, no inducement nor threat was offered.

Compare this with Biden's action where there was a clear conflict of interest and a threat offered for non action.

Finally, there are reports that the whistleblower was politically motivated.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Friday, 11 October 2019 12:21:30 PM
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"Actually, the Justice Department has already opined that Mr Trump’s conversation with the Ukrainian President didn’t violate the law in question, which states: “It shall be unlawful for a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value . . . in connection with a federal, state or local election”. The department’s position, likely to be challenged in court, is that information is not a quantifiable “thing of value”."
Posted by Shadow Minister, Friday, 11 October 2019 12:26:22 PM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

Well I could take your position or that of your president's.

"Nothing changes from the Mueller Report. There was insufficient evidence and therefore, in our Country, a person is innocent. The case is closed! Thank you."

You say none, I say insufficient, he says insufficient.

Case closed old boy.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Friday, 11 October 2019 2:23:25 PM
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http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/majority-of-voters-now-want-donald-trump-impeached-removed-poll/news-story/4c3fa3a4aea54603f1d29da54b3e991c
Searching for Trump online can out funny things up
SMH late edition this day, front page, lists a very long list of known lies he owns
And bumbling, but says his party while upset, some very much so, will not impeach him, because Republican voters are 87 percent behind him
So to fix America a need exists to impeach his voters?
Another search, looking for some thing different, brought up a Psychics view *he will not be there by this Christmas*
Then again they got it wrong, [almost all]in 2016
Shadow Minister a MASTER of conservative spin, and the ability not to see truth is it damns that side will have a fine lunch of humble pie post Trump
Posted by Belly, Friday, 11 October 2019 2:48:07 PM
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http://www.smh.com.au/business/markets/trump-and-china-have-a-deal-but-the-world-economy-is-still-at-risk-20191012-p5301g.html
The link is opinion, one I happen to agree with
Of all Trumps lunacy his war on world trade seems the most damning
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 12 October 2019 4:10:39 PM
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Of all Trumps lunacy his war on world trade seems the most damning
Belly,
But still not by far as damaging as the Left's war on common sense !
Posted by individual, Sunday, 13 October 2019 2:11:50 AM
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Again indy your bias is showing in the end you just mutter words even you do not believe
This morning the Trump children and their partners , business dealings have shown their heads
We will see and hear much more about this, mid week when America emerges from its weekend
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 13 October 2019 6:15:33 AM
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SR,

The reference was to the obstruction of justice not the collusion. As per the hearings there was not one scrap of substantial evidence.

Similarly for your president, there is no evidence of inducements in Ukraine.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Sunday, 13 October 2019 10:50:49 AM
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Shadow Minister nothing to see here your aged clown in full clown gear standing at the mike telling us Biden son did some thing wrong
Some thing inquiry after inquiry tells us he did not
While Trumps son, son in law and daughter travel to and from Saudi Arabia at will dealing and making big money from dads POTUS position
This week the spotlight shines on them, say Tuesday?
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 13 October 2019 11:27:07 AM
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Belly,

With regards your president, neither has any inquiry found evidence of his guilt.

However, with regards Biden, threatening the Ukraine with a withdrawal of aide if he did not fire a prosecutor that was investigating a company his son held a prominent position in, is a clear conflict of interest. If Obama had made the call, then this would be a non issue.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 14 October 2019 2:25:04 AM
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Shadow Minister you make me happy I am not you
The second charge has only just started being investigated
Your baseless charge against Biden has been investigated and proved false
Right now more evidence about the Trump clans investments and links is being uncovered
That man is in deep trouble even in his own party current polls show 55 percent of Americans think he should be impeached
Posted by Belly, Monday, 14 October 2019 6:02:44 AM
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Belly,

The Democrats were trying to impeach Trump based on obstruction of justice in an investigation that exonerated him on the basis that it is illegal to obstruct an investigation in process.

Here are some facts that are not in dispute:
1 When Biden threatened to withhold $1bn in aide from Ukraine if the prosecutor was not fired, there was an open investigation into a company that Biden's son was a player. This is a clear conflict of interest whether the case was justified or not. This is why judges recuse themselves when a relative or acquaintance is involved.
2 This case has actually not yet been closed.
3 The US has a treaty with the Ukraine from 2000 to share details of criminal investigations.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 14 October 2019 7:27:56 AM
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Shadow Minister again you defend the indefensible
The current inquiry only needs Trumps own publicly used words to find him guilty
You as a default position, every time, cover for conservatives even if it is clear they are wrong
I highlight my sides wrongs and demand better EG the current shambolic NSW inquiry
You settle for less than truth
Posted by Belly, Monday, 14 October 2019 10:59:15 AM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_approval_rating
No small thing this latest investigation
And in no way linked to the last investigation
See the polling and it shows Trump is in very real trouble
Posted by Belly, Monday, 14 October 2019 8:25:40 PM
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Belly,

Once again you confuse facts with opinion. Being found guilty of anything requires that someone has actually broken a law which requires actual evidence, and the act of winding up left whingers doesn't count as are opinion polls worthless in court.

The reality is that to depose Trump, a 2/3rds majority is required in the republican held senate after a "trial" by that republican held senate where they are free to subpoena anyone at all.

Trump will at least be there at the elections in Nov 2020 where the conservative blue collar workers will have to vote for the scoundrel Trump or the Democrats who espouse the following:

https://nypost.com/2019/10/13/devine-democrats-slap-the-faithful-during-lgbtq-town-hall/

What do you think?
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 5:08:01 AM
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What do you think of this?

"Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) called for a probe into four Democratic Senators on Sunday over a letter that they sent to Ukraine in 2018 that threatened to withhold aid from the country if it did not continue to investigate President Donald Trump."
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 5:25:37 AM
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Shadow Minister Rand P is a man unfit to be withing a bulls roar of government
You highlight yet again, some thing I agree with
The numbers do not, and will not, exist to impeach Trump
See however numbers above that seem to say his chance of reelection is bleak
His betrayal of the Kurds has exploded in his, and Saudi Arabia's face
He is disjointed and not capable of sticking to his own opinion
He has weakened the west, strengthened Russia, again by this weird action
My greatest fear is he well may have done this on purpose the man is troubling
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 6:36:01 AM
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Belly

Three years ago both you and I comfortably predicted that Trump would lose. Trump was 10-20% down in the polls and few of us took him seriously.

What neither of us counted on was:
Hilary had a lot of baggage and was a lot less popular than we thought
The democrats were pushing though many policies that were troubling conservative christians.
The Democrats ignored the issues that were important to blue collar workers such as collapsing manufacturing and immigration.

In 13 months I guess that this impeachment will have either failed completely, or with the issue being savaged by the republicans in the senate will have backfired on the democrats and will be a non issue.

The biggest issue is who will be the democratic nominee. If there is no moderate democratic nominee and someone radical like Elizabeth Warren is up against Trump, I would put better than even odds on Trump.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 9:56:46 AM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

This is what I wrote after the Trump election win.

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Well guys there is certainly part of me that if feeling a little chuffed.

Many may have held their noses while doing it but the Yanks have delivered a victory for the citizen over the customer.

Here in Australia we have the ruling elites hell bent on creating our own manufacturing rust belts, signing us up for the TTP and free trade deals with China of all places, and handing out over a million 457 visas. All the while we have a leader who holds Caymen Island bank accounts and was a former merchant banker telling us how good the changes will be for the economy. Note not for the people but the 'economy'.

We can only hope that our major parties get the message without the populace having to take the country to the edge with a Trump clone.

My hope is the profits of the big corporations are not at the forefront of our decision making any longer. That globalisation and trickle down economics are given the boot.

The only tragedy is that it has fallen to an egomaniac like Trump to 'drain the swamp'. If he hadn't been screwed by the DNC we may well have had a Sanders doing it instead. Beggars can't be choosers.

End quote.

One of the final judgements the voters will make of Trump before the next election is whether he has drained the swamp or added to it. I think it is self evident it is very much the latter and a halfway decent contender will make that very clear. I think he is in real trouble.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 10:31:29 AM
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Shadow Minister and Steelredux yes very true, in fact most knew Hillary was not the right candidate
But we thought, the world thought, even she could trounce Trump
In talking about him, we should not ignore that, or throw away the truth, the wrong candidate can deliver him a second term
And in that truly weird thing American politics calls system, the wrong candidate is a possibility
We should, all, from both sides, understand American voters are even less informed than ours
That is just the way Trump/Murdock wants it to be
Right now Trump is looking like a true idiot, threats that even we know he has no intention of carrying out
War using world trade, a stunning can be crippling, development
He will not be re-elected, he may end his life in prison
Or Nixon like, do a deal then leave
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 11:02:41 AM
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SR,

The prosperity of the last 3 decades has largely been due to free trade and opening up the economy and the FTAs which have all been opposed by labor have generated zero of the risks of the Labor scare campaigns and delivered lifestyle increases for least fortunate greater than any equivalent time in Aus history. And P.S. Trickle down theory died in the 80s along with Soviet Union, and like communism exists only in the fuddled minds of old socialists.

As for the half decent opponent for Trump, in my mind that is only Biden. However, Warren seems to be rapidly gaining ground and well ready to over take old Joe. If that is the case the democrats are at serious risk of losing the middle ground.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 1:40:19 PM
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Shadow Minister it is fear of Trump, thinking/knowing he has weakened the west
That brings about my threads about the man
Pre ww 2 many warned that Japan was a very real danger, many laughted at them for doing so
China has used the man to push for even more power
Russia, now a dictatorship of international criminals, has even helped them selves, by helping him win office
World trade gets your support yet you seem to champion the very man who may kill it
World trade needs, but never has had, a level playing field, yes Trump has a point, but he cares nothing for anyone other than his part of the once United States of America
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 3:01:24 PM
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-15/donald-trump-support-cracking-impeachment-will-reveal-real-base/11599098
Opinions other than Fox exist, this is on of many, free to read and it it telling
Trump by his yes no yes again, giving Turkey the right to invade Syria, then trying to stop it, should concern educated people
Russia and Syria win
Time maybe to truly look at written opinion, from no small number of metal health experts, that Trump is showing sings of mental instability
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 5:11:35 AM
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Belly,

There are also opinions outside the ABC.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Thursday, 17 October 2019 5:55:40 AM
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Shadow Minister, well been watching news reel films of ww2 some clearly propaganda from our side
And as it is a hobby to renew my understanding of those times it is not the first time I have seen them
Have several hundred hours mostly American made
Hitler, much like Trump,told lie after lie, but his followers fell for every one
A world exists out side the Fox phony world, lie factory
Yes the ABC is not perfect, it houses bias from both sides of politics
But the Fox/Trump/right of reality never let truth get in the way of profit
Fake News is a plan, it is made and used to hide truth and it is working, after Trump[ if Warren is his opponent that will be after he wins again] we will hear much more about the constructed lie factory Fox
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 17 October 2019 8:30:18 AM
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How do you close a thread about Trump
This self described genius makes news every day
He abandoned his friends the Kurds, justified it by telling us they did not fight with us on D day
My looking at Hitlers rise and fall [taking time off that] see,s German women who remind me of Trumps supporters, screaming for joy as Hitler screamed hate and insanity
Trump? you tell me how he can remain the man is crippling the west and serving our traditional enemy's
Posted by Belly, Friday, 18 October 2019 5:53:22 AM
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Dear Belly,

Don't think for one moment that you could ever close a thread on Trump. The man just keeps giving and giving.

Over the last 24 hours we learn of a letter he wrote to the Turkish leader which included such pearls as "“History will look upon you favorably if you get this done the right and humane way. It will look upon you forever as the devil if good things don’t happen. Don’t be a tough guy. Don’t be a fool!”

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/16/trump-letter-erdogan-turkey-invasion#img-2

Now just in, earlier this year Trump floated the idea of using his Florida resort to host the G7 summit. Now after 'extensive review' guess what? The G7 summit will be held at his resort in Florida. Mind you, apparently he will not make a penny on the deal, all at cost my friend, which of course makes him sound exactly like the gangster he is.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50087836

And there was President Carter divesting himself of his peanut farm because he didn't want any sense that he may be making decisions to enrich himself. What a schmuck.

This bloke has an entertainment level stuck on the dial at 11. The second most entertaining thing about him is how his supporters trample each other is offering excuses for this corrupt and wildly erratic buffoon.

This is a hell of a lot of fun.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Friday, 18 October 2019 8:50:39 AM
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SteeleRedux yes a barrel of laughs, his wars are to be fought in the world trade area, well in this days tweets that is
Still some here who in truth would instantly name a Democratic POTUS traitor seem unable to see him for what he is
You indeed can fool some of the people all of the time
Warren, must not be the Democrat who runs against him, she would gift him the election
That is if he is not gone before then
Posted by Belly, Friday, 18 October 2019 10:51:55 AM
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http://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/donald-trump-cuts-a-deal-with-himself-virtually-guaranteeing-impeachment-20191018-p531x4.html
Please show me how this is not a criminal act
Trump has awarded a massive government contract, to host the G7 in one of his own places
Utter fool as said in the link, is begging to be impeached
Posted by Belly, Friday, 18 October 2019 11:13:07 AM
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http://time.com/5704178/trump-character-unfit-office/
Free to read and written by a Conservative, take me on!
Explain to me why this traitor is not insane
Posted by Belly, Friday, 18 October 2019 1:36:26 PM
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Oooh this is good.

Former Defense Secretary Gen. James Mattis roasts Donald Trump: 'I earned my spurs on the battlefield'
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/defense-secretary-gen-james-mattis-roasts-donald-trump/story?id=66358021

Ouch!

Of course he loves telling US servicemen to do things he wouldn't ever do because it puts him in harms way;

"The other thing with the terrorists is you have to take out their families, when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families. They care about their lives, don't kid yourself. When they say they don't care about their lives, you have to take out their families,"

What a guy.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Friday, 18 October 2019 7:00:18 PM
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SteeleRedux both love it and want to cry
This mad man con man fraud is a nightmare for those wanting better government
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 19 October 2019 4:07:33 AM
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Well going to call it, only the wrong Democrat candidate can see Trump win
Warren Bernie and sadly Biden are the wrong candidates
Biden for no other reason than mud sticks, the intellectual ability of many voters is not able to tell truth from lie
So who, is it that young bloke of Mexican background? hope to but not from the new American left please
Too far from reality that side
Trump? looks unlikely to even run in 12 months to me, he is in mental decline and even some on his side know it
PS my disdain for a true left is this
Only by moving in to past Conservative ground can the center/left, gain office, the right has convinced too many the left can not be trusted and in fact voters are afraid it is true
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 19 October 2019 11:09:27 AM
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Belly,

I fear that, as things stand, Trump will be re-elected. The left is too dopey and holier-than-thou to see that it's the 60 % centre that has to be won over, as you suggest.

Politics involves the art of compromise and surely, there are issues which such a centre would support. If we look across the concerns of the electorate, and the proposals that each idiotic extreme puts forward and eliminate them, then there enough issues on which to gain sort of qualified, if not enthusiastic, support from the centre-majority ?

The only person who can beat Trump will have to be a centrist: a supreme, practical politician.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Saturday, 19 October 2019 12:23:16 PM
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Joe in total agreement, the left is dysfunctional there here and in England
That shouts my mob too.
The chance exists, willing to bank on it, Trump will not be the candidate next year
But [worth a thread] the left ignore at their peril, voters have moved away from them
My mob wants to, hopefully will, move just a little right
Dragging vote loss policy's of the very left with you is madness
Trump, [been researching] is terrifying some Republicans, and his default position he alone is right, may see him not run, or even his party or Doctor may make that choice for him
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 19 October 2019 2:16:25 PM
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http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/trumps-syria-withdrawal-a-lottery-win-for-putin/news-story/2839179588e50bf22a8fb75c19dd06de
TRUE my point often made here free to read if you want to see some thing other than the Fox inventions that [for now watch this space] support Trump
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 20 October 2019 12:52:24 PM
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http://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/trump-drops-plan-to-host-g7-at-his-florida-golf-resort-20191020-p532ew.html
No comment needed? well no
In fact from within his own party he was warned not to go ahead with the fraud it was to be
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 20 October 2019 4:10:14 PM
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Belly,

As I understand it, Trump is trying to get dirt on Joe Biden, for using his office for personal profit and for the benefit of his son in the Ukraine. Trump is standing over the Ukrainian President, withholding military aid in 'exchange' for such dirt. Takes you back to The Sopranos.

Personal profit: does that extend to using Trump's own property, at a price, for an international conference ?

Just wondering.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Sunday, 20 October 2019 5:18:45 PM
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Loudmouth in all honesty Biden has been cleared of any wrong doing
And yes his son was given that job, by that country, in an effort to influence the White house
Biden looks to be the best of a big field but he may be best to step down
Mud sticks, even mud based on lies, hoping for some younger candidate to emerge
Today's press protest [press freedom under threat] speaks for me, even here power stalls open inspection of some true wrongs
Posted by Belly, Monday, 21 October 2019 6:01:43 AM
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Belly,

Who exactly has cleared Biden of all wrongdoing?

Biden used his position to coerce the Ukraine government to take a drastic action that benefited the company in which his son was a director. As I said previously, at the very least he should have deferred the decision to someone else such as the secretary of State or the president, as he had a clear conflict of interest.

Which is exactly what the Democrats are accusing Trump of.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 4:34:28 AM
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Shadow Minister will you please spend just ten minutes reading the not Fox news out of America?
Too give some thought to this truth, even some on Fox have spoken out against Trump
Inquiry's, more than one, held in the country Biden junior had that job in, cleared him
No evidence was found for any wrong doing
Head on block here, but willingly do it
Fox /Murdock, will abandon Trump
Rupert is to good a business man to let his ship sink
American news papers [well worth searching and reading] inform us Fox has lost many [double figures] watchers recently over Trump
No real evidence, nothing, has ever been tabled about Biden doing anything wrong
WATCH at a future date, the *fake news* making become much bigger than the phone tapping scandal that killed news of the world
Interesting times ahead
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 5:13:38 AM
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Belly,

Only a couple of months ago the left whingers were screaming to impeach Trump for obstruction of investigation which cleared him.

The fact is that Biden forced the Ukrainian government to fire a prosecutor that was investigating a company that Biden's son was a director of.

Whether Hunter Biden was cleared or not after this is largely irrelevant, as the company that was being investigated not Biden, and from what I can see the company was involved in dodgy stuff.

Secondly, that a new prosecutor cleared HB after his predecessor was fired for investigating his company is hardly a ringing endorsement.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 1:23:50 PM
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Shadow Minister surely you will agree some of your views show bias
And I agree mine do too
But at least mounting evidence seems to support my view Trump has lost it
Can you make a case that proves us lefty's [any one not a Trump supporter] are always wrong?
What are we to make of the gift of Syria to Putin?
The seeming total failure of the crawling to north Korean dictator
Trump /Murdock, both made and trade in fake news
Have you fallen for it?
Is there any chance a better POTUS from what ever party, would have done so much better than the ego driven fool?
Dare we talk about the Trump family business ties to the Murderer leading Saudi Arabia?
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 2:42:10 PM
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Shadow Minister,

Trump has not been cleared of anything.

He simply has not been charged because the rules
don't allow a sitting President to be charged.
But when he leaves office ... we'll have to wait
and see.

The man deserves to be taken down. The world and
certainly America deserves better than that scum-bag.
Stop defending him!
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 3:27:00 PM
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Foxy [my trip off till Friday] yes true, however Shadow Minister at some level knows that
He knows too Trump is the wrong person to lead a country
However his default position is anti anything left of the very far right
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 3:44:16 PM
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Foxy, Belly,

There were two charges against Trump, the first was collusion with Russia to influence the election for which no evidence against him was found which essentially cleared him.

The second charge that he obstructed justice was difficult to prove because he hadn't actually obstructed justice. The only possible way of prosecuting this is that he had discussed doing this with colleagues which could be construed as "conspiring" which as Mueller said was unlikely to result in a conviction and was therefore insufficient to charge Trump.

So as I said before, Trump was cleared of collusion with Russia. He was not charged for obstruction for lack of evidence.

Biden clearly admitted to interfering in an open investigation. Whether the investigation was warranted or not is largely irrelevant.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 4:25:31 AM
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http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/donald-trump-tweets-that-democrats-are-lynching-him-on-impeachment/news-story/45b7a2f132bea7e58f64132479d565b1
Free to read the link should come with a warning
It needs to warn supporters of Trump this is not fake news it is his own, quite stupid words
Shadow Minister are you just a small bit concerned with the Trump son in laws closer than usual friendship with the Saudi dictator
Do you too see some thing not unlike Biden's alleged to close a link?
Just maybe much worse?
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 4:52:36 AM
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Since Trump came to office more focus has been on what he says, instead of what he does. Looking back the same is true for Obama while he was in office.

Is that all people care about anymore? How well spoken a person is, and how well they avoid PC pitfalls? Focus on what the man DOES, whether it is right or wrong. Don't fawn over him if he says the right thing, or hate on him because he says the wrong thing. Seriously. Regardless if Trump stays or leaves the focus should be on something more then squables over saying the wrong thing and hurting people's feelings. Or saying the right thing and nothing more. The actions matter. Focus on those.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 6:08:31 AM
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NNS,

So what has that mongrel done, and what has he said, about the Kurds ? He's abandoned them, ordered US troops out, given a free pass to the Turks to invade another country - and said that he will act 'humanely' if they over-step. So far, in his view they haven't over-stepped ? Their threats to Syria are not over-steps ? What does 'humane' mean these days ?

And then the mongrel slags the Kurds as fighting for hundreds of years, implicitly on pointless wars. Any evidence of that ? Yes, indeed, wars of defence, if any. And that they only fought against ISIS because they were being paid, like the usual sluts that Trump can buy any time.

What a vile creature.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 10:05:13 AM
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Not-Now-Soon are you leg pulling?
It is his actions that terrifies me, that includes his insane words
Shadow Minister, please you are every bit as aware as me of Trump continuing to run his business while in office
You too know he owns twin Trump towers in Turkey
And has close family links to many countrys he seems too close to
Gentlemen, after this criminal ,falls we must have a thread asking why [like Nazi Germany] did so many fall for him?
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 11:01:00 AM
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To Belly.

I'm not pulling your leg. Your last post went to a link of Trump comparing his situation with the democrats to a lynching. I don't care about for half of the things Trumps says, and I doubt I know the other half. The media loves to promote every bad apple Trump can be part of. Even if they have to make it up. That makes a smokescreen in the media that hides anything he might do well. This makes it worse if after numerous investigations over different issues Trump has no guilt shown, yet new ones pop up conviently to take the stage next. I'm not pulling your leg, but I'm thinking someone is trying to pull the public's legs from under them in order to get Trump out. I don't know the reason and that doesn't mean I trust either side more or less with what they say.

So with all that in mind I stick by my words. I'd rather know what any president is doing right, or what he is doing wrong, instead of how well he speaks. I don't want a repeat of Obama, where the questionable things done while he was in office, are only known after he leaves office. He has a good smile and a way with words. And Trump is just the opposite. Focus on his actions that are good or bad, not his lack of PC
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 2:04:33 PM
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Not-Now-Soon sticking by mine, in fact the thought you think his words are not actions amazes me
We, you and me, will see Fox turn on him
Some extra VIPs within his white house team too
The man, his followers, are insulting every thing America once told us it stood for
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 2:27:03 PM
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Belly.

Words are actions. How they are said is PC. Know the difference.

That said word scare also too easy to hide behind. "He said, she said" sort of thing along with "I said this, and I meant that." For that reason words are the weakest action to know a man by. Judge him by the actual things he does. Listen to the words for clues to what a person is willing to do, or plans to do. If they say it rudely or make a misstep that offends, when they speak, that again is PC your looking at, not the action behind the words. The meaning of the context.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 3:03:01 PM
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Dumb auto correct.

First sentence in the second paragraph should say:

"Words are also too easy to hide behind."

Not

"Word scare also"
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 3:08:14 PM
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President Trump's actions are the causes for concern.

It is a crime to ask a foreigner for help winning
a US election. It is a crime to intimidate. It is a crime
to obstruct justice, and the list goes on.

And all of those things shall be and need to be examined.

Yes, actions definitely do matter more than words.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 3:14:11 PM
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NNS,

And Trump sells out the Kurds to the far more powerful Turks, and slanders them. Already Trump has indirectly caused the deaths of hundreds of Kurds.

Trump allows Assad to re-occupy Kurdish lands.

Trump opens the way for ISIS to re-group.

Trump hands the Middle East to Russia and Iran.

Trump puts Israel's security in danger.

Trump puts pressure on the Ukrainian president to dig up dirt on the Bidens, otherwise he'll cancel military contracts.

Trump grovels in front of Kim Jong Un, and sucks up to Putin.

Actions, not just words ?

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 3:56:31 PM
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To Foxy and Loudmouth.

Think of it like this. Say a person has an issue with a coworker and brings the matter to their boss. At first they give reasons that are worth merit. (Regardless if they are true or not), but then somewhere along that list they start listing things that don't matter at all. The person's personality associated with a horoscope sign, the kind of car they drive, or even that they like annoying colors.

Let's say those three crap issues are mixed in with a larger list of real issues, the person is always late for work, is lazy, or is unsafe in what they do. ... Or whatever else to give five to ten legitimate issues.

Even if the coworker lists five to ten complaints that hold merit; what do you think the three crappy reasons do to the list of complaints? It puts into question the list, and the person making the list. Are any of these other issues real or made up, because the other person wears black all the time or drives a gas guzzler.

That how it is here with a growing list against Trump. If you start your complaining with real issues but somewhere along the way you mix into it things that don't matter at all, then that discredits the who bunch and discredits yourself.

That is the point I was trying to make.

As for the actions you both posted, it looks like off and on someone stands up against those reasons and makes a defense for Trump. Nonetheless, the actions you've both addressed are the ones to focus on. PC complaints just discredits everything else.

Hope that clears up everything.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Thursday, 24 October 2019 3:47:14 AM
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NNS no room for supposes here Trump's words are actions no room for argument
And he will be left out to dry by Fox, some of his insiders and history
We once looked at old news reel of Adolph Hitler and asked how can they fall for that
Yet Trump has mirrored him in his use of words
I fear for America, a system of electing people that is needlessly strange, an intention to elect celebrity not politicians the country has become a concern
Evidence? the election of and continued support for Trump proves my point
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 24 October 2019 6:10:30 AM
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It is obvious that some here only listen to ABC and SBS news, I listen to all news channels to get the facts. I listened this morning to Fox News America seven hours ago, to reports given by Republican Party senators who have been excluded form the hearing of the "lynch mob" [a word Biden used when Clinton was being tried previously]. The Democrats began impeachment proceedings from the day President Donald Trump was Elected. The Democrats are struggling to find credible evidence. The proceedings are hidden behind closed doors from media because the evidence is based on hear say.
Posted by Josephus, Thursday, 24 October 2019 7:54:19 AM
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Dear Josephus,

Oh come on. This was an investigation being conducted in a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility which is pretty standard as it prevents other witnesses from being forewarned about earlier testimony. For this reason phones and other communication devices are prohibited. There were both Democrat and Republican members on the committee who had clearance to be there.

This mob who crashed the meeting not only didn't have clearance but brought in their phones which they were tweeting from against the rules.

This is an assault on the process of governance in the US and should be condemned by its people.

The fact that you are cheering them on says volumes.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 24 October 2019 8:43:23 AM
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Trump's days are numbered.

The man will get kicked out prior to the next election.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 24 October 2019 9:26:43 AM
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What I enjoy is watching the left whingers twisting themselves in knots.

Obstruction of justice where the inquiry was pointless is a crime for republicans but not democrats.

Impeachment hearings are called to find evidence of a crime, not because there was any evidence of a crime.

Closed star chamber hearings are OK for Democrats running a lynching as long as you don't call it a lynching.

etc
Posted by Shadow Minister, Thursday, 24 October 2019 9:52:03 AM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

That is so bloody laughable even for you mate.

A bunch of house Republicans are tying themselves in knots because the Democrats are playing under the same rules that the then Speaker Paul Ryan put in place to go after Hilary Clinton and now they are throwing a huge hissy fit.

Yet you are saying it is the left which is tying themselves in knots? I don't think so old chum.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 24 October 2019 10:43:58 AM
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Josephus you HIGHLIGHT the under informed are a very real danger to good government
Not sure why you use that true fake news story but it is just that lies made in an effort to support the criminal currently in the white house
How can we ever hope to see true statesmen and women if voters buy such as him
He will fall, he is under pressure right now
READ American mainstream press I do
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 24 October 2019 10:46:01 AM
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Watching the democrats scuttling away when their secret interviews were interrupted blows a huge hole in any attempt the democrats might have of maintaining the facade of due process and they now look as dodgy as F..

What is becoming increasingly apparent is that any chance of this process being even vaguely bipartisan has disappeared, when the vote happens in congress the Dems will vote for it and the Republicans will vote against. It might just pass, but when it gets to the senate, the Senate "trial" process will rip the democrats to shreds and keep Trump in office.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Thursday, 24 October 2019 1:42:35 PM
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Shadow Minister,

Get into your thick skull - Trump is out!

OUT! OUT! OUT!
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 24 October 2019 2:26:07 PM
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Shadow Minister with respect RUOK, you have told me you do not think much of Trump
Re read your comments this thread
Then you break in to the mindless chant *leftist fake news*
Are you watching to descent of the right in America in to a self made trench
Do you not surf USA news other than the demented dwarfs Fox
This man, history not yet written will say, is a criminal far worse than any living world leader
He may well, as an only defense, say he was in the early stages of mental decline
What my old sparring partner will be your excuse
[Away am tomorrow back probably Saturday] will replie then
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 24 October 2019 2:31:15 PM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

Nah mate you are full of it.

There are dozens of Republicans who sit on these three committees and who have the right to listen to testimony but these have clearance to do so. Most of the mob did not.

The fact that they are trying to go after the process rather than let the facts speak for themselves is because they are becoming increasingly desperate and by golly it is fun to watch.

I don't think the orange buffoon will get tossed before the next election but I will sure as hell enjoy him sweating and squirming and deservedly so given with what he tried to pull off.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 24 October 2019 3:25:56 PM
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News discussion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQmajTucXeg

Republican response
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WBcXL6h2KY
Posted by Josephus, Thursday, 24 October 2019 6:58:20 PM
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Have a listen to this by Republicans. It is slow at the start. Move the curser till you get people at the lectern.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WBcXL6h2KY

I watched another 45 minute one by Republicans earlier.
Posted by Josephus, Thursday, 24 October 2019 7:21:43 PM
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The reality about the Trump impeachment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eswfEKMQGts
Posted by Josephus, Saturday, 26 October 2019 11:07:25 AM
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Dear Josephus,

Reality and the Hannity Show should never be used in the same sentence old chum.

Try again.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Saturday, 26 October 2019 11:38:00 AM
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SR you present no evidence only your emotion. We will see the facts in 2020.
Posted by Josephus, Saturday, 26 October 2019 11:49:20 AM
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Dear Josephus,

Lol.

So old chap I assume you feel that Trump being reelected constitutes facts being revealed. What a curious definition of facts.

Further, Hannity and his guest screeching at the top of there voices doesn't indicate an emotional response? Rubbish. Fox News thrives on fact free emotional bluster all the bloody time.

Give me a break.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Saturday, 26 October 2019 11:55:40 AM
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It remains true in my mind Trump and those who blindly support him, prove Democracy needs a re look
Electing the buffoon, watching him gift power to Russia, confirms you can fool some of the people all of the time
And that should warn us politics is far too important to let some people vote
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 26 October 2019 4:07:09 PM
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From a Trump supporter who believes Trump is assisting African Americans out of poverty.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6bZboXOGcs
Posted by Josephus, Saturday, 26 October 2019 6:42:03 PM
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The agenda of the left is to destroy Capitalism and introduce Communism.
http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/climate/global-warming-is-about-destroying-capitalism/?fbclid=IwAR3wS12A6r7w6oPnZsLkA9RDcdcW3wwe-QB0UnUcVNbQMLghCLcowedgKj4

This is supported by the Democrats, is why Trump will win 2020.
Posted by Josephus, Saturday, 26 October 2019 7:11:50 PM
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The unprecedented trial by Democrats of Donald Trump has now become a criminal matter, so all material must be exposed and tried as evidence.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/10/larry-c-johnson-bill-barr-has-pulled-the-trigger-and-altered-the-landscape-the-deep-state-does-not-truly-understand-the-peril-they-now-face/
Posted by Josephus, Saturday, 26 October 2019 7:22:17 PM
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Republicans sitting in the closed inquiry now know all the so called witnesses and their testimony; that it is very light on criminal fact.

The winesses will now have to give their evidence against the accused President in open criminal court so the public will know their testimony and the facts of their evidence.

There was a hidden agender by the Democrats to damage the President for the 2020 election by hear say. The Republicans now know the President will be openly cleared of all supposed criminal offences. So a public criminal hearing will expose the purpose and character of the Democrats. This is politics!
Posted by Josephus, Sunday, 27 October 2019 1:40:19 AM
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Josephus have some shares you may be interested in
Seems you buy just about anything old mate
In less than 12 months, looking back, we all will see Trump/Fox constructed a product and named it fake news
Used any time truth rises its head to? make folk like you close their minds to truth and reality
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 27 October 2019 4:53:32 AM
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Belly, I suppose the Washington Post, USA Today and Reuters are Fox News as well.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia/us-attorney-general-barrs-review-of-russia-probe-faces-backlash-idUSKBN1X420J
Posted by Josephus, Sunday, 27 October 2019 7:31:44 AM
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http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/
Josephus an unfortunate link
Unwanted by such as you it highlights Trumps lies
A position he has made his own in every speech he ever made
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 27 October 2019 11:03:25 AM
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http://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/lock-him-up-world-series-crowd-boos-trump-20191028-p534yt.html
This climate change is man made
That climate that refuses to ignore Trump, his true self
Today he [rightly so] was pleased with the death of a thing of a man killed at last
But did his needless words ensure even more terrorist acts in the west?
Posted by Belly, Monday, 28 October 2019 2:58:40 PM
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SR, Belly

At least you have the good grace to admit that the chances of Trump losing office is close to zero.

The whole reason that the democrats had abandoned convention and avoided voting for an impeachment inquiry is entirely because they thought they would lose, and the entire purpose of this unmandated star chamber is to develop a portfolio of untested and unchallenged material to justify proceeding to an impeachment.

And no there are not dozens of Republicans that have access to these star chambers, there are only 4 who will be excluded if they mention a word.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Thursday, 31 October 2019 1:56:39 PM
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Belly, Unlike you I read both sides of a debate, it helps to make up an informed mind. From the first day of President Trumps election the Democrat agenda was to find something that they could blacken his character and overthrow the results of the 2016 election.
Posted by Josephus, Thursday, 31 October 2019 6:28:35 PM
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As predicted,

Finally, the democrats garnered enough democratic votes to get the impeachment inquiry through the democrat dominated house and the vote was predictable in that all democrats bar 2 voted yes and all republicans bar 1 voted no.

The result in the Republican dominated Senate is predictable. I look forward to the interrogation of the democratic witnesses
Posted by Shadow Minister, Friday, 1 November 2019 11:45:53 AM
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http://www.facebook.com/TheBlaze/videos/1216730661865286/UzpfSTExMDkwOTM4MTI0OTE0Mzc6MjY4Nzk1ODQyMTI3MTYyNw/

Impeachment a hoax!
Posted by Josephus, Saturday, 9 November 2019 10:43:07 AM
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