Just watching the movie 'Denial' on TV about Holocaust denialist David Irving and I automatically thought of all of the anthropogenic global warming denialists on OLO. David Irving didn't want the world to know about the Holocaust in order to hide the guilt of the Nazis from public opinion. Similarly, our team ot OLO denialists don't want the world to know about anthropogenic global warming. The question is who are they trying to protect?

Mr O,

the TRUTH!
I am beginning to lean towards the 'truth', not the 'facts', because facts don't automatically tell the truth.
Facts are merely a collection of information.
The odd thing about this information is, that like language itself, it is a question of inflections and semantics.
So it is why we have such discord with certain controversial topics, like the environment.
Even though the facts appear to show there is a problem with our environment, I for one cannot shrug off the feeling that we are not being told the truth about the environment and it's impact on us.
I understand there will always be division in many things, and so it is with this topic.
What is different with this one is that it involves science.
Now as little as I know about science, I would have thought that it was pretty clear on the method and outcome of this particular topic.
So you can imagine my surprise when I read that scientists cannot agree on the reasons, origins and the guilty parties and their individual actions affecting GW and CC.
Basically they disagree about EVERYTHING!
So who are we supposed to believe, when both parties are from the same group or field, and we are supposed to rely on, and trust, them.

We have a lot of personal attacks on creditability posted here, very little demonstration of actual science, its benefits to humanity and is it causing climate abnormalities? Has the use of heavy metals, burning carbon; how has it changed Earth climate. Take the use of chemistry, how has it affected Earth? These are the source of human development and impact on environment. Demonstrate how these have impacted Earth. Where are the real science gurus? Has man done enough to arrest its impacts to health? Talk science not attacks on personal credibility. Both science and our resourcefulness of natural resources has improved human society. Demonstrate otherwise, otherwise return to being naked hunter gatherers.

Dear ALTRAV,

From your opening remarks you were sounding like a French structuralist.

It is not true that there is widespread disagreement among the scientific community. Bazz - yes that's right, Bazz the denialist - has actually referred us to an article that states from a research survey that 99% of the scientific community is in agreement on anthropogenic global warming:

Cook, J., et al. 'Quantifying the consensus on anthropogenic global warming in the scientific literature', Environmental Research Letters 8 (2), 2013.

Bazz misinterpreted the article and thought it said the opposite, that 99% were in disagreement. It's like David Irving visiting Auschwitz and meeting Holocaust survivors and then telling everybody that it never happened. All that the denialists can see are the lies; they are blind to reality.

Do you believe that all of the scientists around the world are putting their heads together to fabricate lies about what is happening? Hasbeen, individual, mhaze, Loudmouth, runner, et al, want us to believe that is the case. Sorry fellas we're all just a bit too smart to be fooled by the likes of you.

Dear Loudmouth,

I will admit to being a little relieved not to see and History qualifications within your resume. It would have been a little depressing if there were given your Rabbit Proof Fence intransigence.

It seems I did indeed misattribute the original post to Shadow Minister for which I apologise.

It was of course from Hasbeen. My only excuse was that it appeared far more erudite and fulsome than the usual fare we get from the old fella but I now realise it was pretty well all cut and paste.

It looks like Ridd has joined this motley bunch of 500 which is a pity because I thought his focus and complaints were around reef runoff. It seems he is now fully engaged with the powerful interests seeking to downplay global warming in oder to retain profits.

When you lie down with dogs...