Mr O, you are defiantly right, at one time Hasbeen was denying climate change based on the hearsay of some young 85 year old neighbour down the road, and the fact his fruit trees were doing something or another. When bingo finishes for the morning down at the Shady Rest retirement home, instead of have nap time, the old fellas take turns on nursey's computer to stoke you and others up.

Foxy you are also right, without our resident bunch of geriatrics there would be no one to argue with.

Hi Paul1405,
I've sometimes wondered why Graham Young hasn't updated the OLO website to draw more people in.
- But that doesn't necessarily mean I want it to change, or that I don't like OLO the way it is.

It's not too difficult to build an awesome website,
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They come pre-built with pages ready to go.
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Foxy,

You might note that I didn't comment on the letter to the UN. I'll wait until I see who the 500 scientists are. But we all know that it'll make no difference to the partisans on either side and will be less than useless in regards to the UN who see nothing but dollar signs in regards to climate change policy. It might serve to blunt some of the 97% malarkey but even there its unlikely.

You might also note that I didn't endorse 'No Tricks' in regards to this issue. I simply said I like NTZ because it gives a window into non-English speaking science. I know that they often over-egg the pudding but going in eyes-wide open (you should try it some time) you can still get lots of useful information.

I also note that you haven't attempted to address the issue of the contents of the letter to the UN. Rather than address the message, which you're clearly incapable of doing, you've attacked the messenger. Same old Foxy. One trick pony.

In surfing my usual climate sites, I'd guess I've already seen 10 or so that also carry stories about the letter. If I was to link to them, would you systematically try to shoot all those messengers as well? What am I saying...of course you would. When its all you've got, you've gotta go with it, n'est pas?

If you want to just shoot messengers and use others to load the bullets (eg snopes) its probably just as well to know a bit about the loader. Rely on Snopes if that helps you appear to be impartially examining the issue. But, as with so much else over the past few years, you'll be happily led down the garden path.

Misopinionated,

Okay, bugger it:

T. Cert; BA; BA (Hons); Dip. Bus (acc); Dip. L.G. Admin: Gr. Dip. Ad & F Ed.; Dip. Ed.; Gr. Dip. Prop.; M. Pol.; M. Bus (Admin. Mant).

Now let's move on, if possible without the juvenile trolling.

Joe

mhaze,

You clearly stated that the "No Tricks Zone" was
one of your favourites. And you further gave us
two more conservative links as a back up.

But that's fine and understandable. You protest too
much methinks, in this case. But that's par for
the course.

As Cossomby pointed out so beautifully in her post -

It is important to be sceptical, but it is especially
important to be sceptical if those who make
a career out of being sceptical (including their websites)
have no research experience in the fields that they are
sceptical about. Hence my mention of Viv Forbes on
page 1. His background speaks for itself.

I read the letter to the UN and then checked on who
the signatories were.

No surprises there.

Also as Cossomby also stated - we need to be sceptical
about those whose views agree with ours to avoid
confirmation bias. That is very relevant as well in
matters such as these. However when people do have
the experience and the knowledge necessary to know what
they are talking about - they are
more credible than those who don't

Foxy, given that Cossomby is more Courteous than most, their posting history dose indicate that they are about as unbiased as Paul, which is saying something.