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Real scientists rebel.

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You have of course read the full report Belly, so feel qualified to make the judgement call that this is fake news. How the hell a report of a letter by 500 scientists to the evil UN secretary general can be "fake News" I fail to see.

It is time for our well meaning lefty folk to read a bit more widely than lefty propaganda, & with more knowledge stop making fools of themselves, believing & repeating all the propaganda.
Posted by Hasbeen, Thursday, 26 September 2019 1:56:28 PM
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mhaze,

You need to do more research into the author and the
"No Tricks Zone"website. Although I suspect it
won't make any difference to you seeing as it's your
favourite as you say.

You make a disclaimer as to what I cited - well that's
par for the course. And you give the references of
"American Thinker," known as "American Stinker" by
many for its conservative and biased views.

And then also the UK Daily Mail - most of whose
supporters are also conservative. Not that there's
anything wrong with that.

Each to their own.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 26 September 2019 2:10:23 PM
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cont'd ...

I only wish that people including Hasbeen would take their
own advice and stop reading propaganda and have an
occasional read of the facts that do exist.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 26 September 2019 2:13:34 PM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

Snopes is a terrific site and one of the best in the business at pulling apart the crap that is dished up mostly from the rabid right.

Your example of them not getting it right is inane. They were not addressing the original site but rather the pictures that were arriving via email and social media.

Hasbeen's letter to the UN is filled with dubious characters and to say there is a single reputable scientist among the 500 would be gilding the lily. I really do want to pat him on the head. Serving up rubbish like this just elicits pity in the rest of us.

As to notrickszone they are a bunch of shady distorters of the truth who are constantly getting told to take down other people's research because they are deeply misrepresenting it.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 26 September 2019 3:08:35 PM
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Hasbeen one of us is wrong, not just wrong totally wrong
You may think it is me, but I do have very very many on my side
Why I ask is this planets climate such a combative thing
Could it be a large group of fools *like me* have been conned? to what end?
Or seeing the total catastrophic over night/year/ loss of fossil fuels, is some group [owners of said fuels?] behind what is at best confusion over what is true
Watch Sky/Fox get one opinion/loaded comment, read better news get another
Let me be honest, if climate change is not at least in part man made I AM AN IDIOT
Divide and Conquer, it may well be a group unseen or only briefly seen, are pulling our strings will one day try forcing us to think as they want us to
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 26 September 2019 3:23:55 PM
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Keeping an open mind, I read the letter http://tundratabloids.com/2019/09/24/500-climate-scientists-write-to-un-there-is-no-climate-emergency/.

The signatories identify as "ambassadors of the European Climate Declaration". (I can't find a list of the full 500; another website says their names will be released soon.)

Professor Guus Berkhout, The Netherlands; Professor Richard Lindzen, USA: Professor Reynald Du Berger,French Canada; Professor Ingemar Nordin, Sweden; Terry Dunleavy, New Zealand; Jim O'Brien, Rep. of Ireland; Viv Forbes, Australia; Professor Alberto Prestininzi, Italy;
Professor Jeffrey Foss, English Canada; Professor Benoît Rittaud, France; Morten Jødal, Norway; Professor Fritz Vahrenholt, Germany;
Rob Lemeire, Belgium; The Viscount Monckton of Brenchley, UK.

The only name I recognised was Viscount Monckton. Now, I know the climatology field in Australia, and have met some of the researchers. But who, I wondered, was Viv Forbes? Actually he is listed on OLO; see: http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/author.asp?id=655.

More info not included in OLO: http://www.desmogblog.com/viv-forbes.

"Viv Forbes is the Chairman of the Carbon Sense Coalition, which was created to “defend the role of carbon on earth and in the atmosphere,” and which describes Forbes as a 'pasture manager, soil scientist and geologist from Rosevale in Queensland.'

Forbes has also had a long association with the coal industry. According to his archived biography at Stanmore Coal where he acts as director, Forbes has over 40 years of coal industry experience and has worked with Burton Coal, Dalrymple Bay Coal Terminal, South Blackwater Coal Mine, Tahmoor Coal Mine, Newlands/Collinsville Coal Mines, MIM, Utah Goonyella/Saraji, Gold Fields, Austral Coal, and others. Forbes was also appointed general manager of Rocklands Richfield coal company in 2006.

He is also associated with other skeptical organizations including the International Climate Science Coalition (ICSC) and the Australian Climate Science Coalition (ACSC)."

So Viv Forbes is not a climatologist, he is a long time activist supporting the coal industry.

It's important to be sceptical. But it's especially important to be sceptical of those who make a career out of being sceptics, but have no research experience in the fields they are sceptical about. It's even more important to be sceptical of people and statements that you emotionally agree with, to avoid bias confirmation.
Posted by Cossomby, Thursday, 26 September 2019 4:10:51 PM
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