Mhaze,

To go back to your survey results, that "44% who think humans are the main cause" of global warming, how many of that 44 % think that it's caused by CO2, by some other gases like hydrogen dioxide, or by particulates, or some other human-produced cause ?

Or, for the extremely naive like me, by the actual production of enormous amounts of heat in our social and economic activities ?

Sometimes I feel sorry for CO2, it gets such a bad rap.

Joe

Foxy no wonder you are so misguided if you read the sort of gutter crap in your last reference.

Yes Joe, I have always thought that fossil fuels obviously heat the planet in their burning. Electricity for example, requires a large amount of heat to produce, then is used to produce a further huge amount of heat to produce metals, plastics, hot coffee & food.

This heat is obviously very short term, being radiated into space very soon after it's production. Space does appear to have an endless capacity to absorb our heat. If it can stay at near absolute zero while absorbing the heat from countless nuclear furnaces in the stars, our puny little production is unlikely to strain it's capacity.

Obviously the urban heat island, used adroitly by the warmist brigade in their propaganda, is our fault in covering the place with heat absorbing materials. Compared to the heat supplied by that big golden thing in the spy, taking our puny efforts seriously is laughable.

Loudmouth/ Foxy,

" how many of that 44 % think that it's caused by CO2"

That wasn't asked in the survey. I suspect most think its CO2 since they wouldn't be aware there are other options. A bit like Foxy et al they just believe what they're told to believe. If next week the climate gurus decide to wage war on methane, then the loyal followers will think its methane that's the problem.

Just a bit more on the survey and Foxy's assertions:

It seems that Foxy didn't actually look at the survey but found someone who wrote about it. She lifted whole chunks from that article and presented it as her work....naughty naughty.

And the bloke she copied from got it wrong anyway. Copying from her source Foxy/source writes "almost 90% of the world believes
that climate change is real". That means that more than 10% think climate change isn't happening. But in the actually survey not one single country has more that 10% saying there is no climate change. So the "almost 90%" is actually more like 95%. Based on that, we can assume that the other figures Foxy copied were also wrong, but the survey data isn't comprehensive enough to know one way or t'other.

Foxy assumes that she introduced me to the survey but its been out for a few weeks. I was aware of it which is how I knew from the outset that Foxy's assertions were wrong.

Overall its a pretty crappy survey which is why I didn't mention it on these pages. For a start it's an online survey and therefore only surveys those with an internet connection. It therefore ignores half of China, India and Indonesia as well as others. So saying what 'the world' thinks is rather fraught.

Still it told Foxy what she wanted to hear and that's all that matters.

Dear Foxy,

Bazz has kindly referred us to this article:

Cook, J., et al. 'Quantifying the consensus on anthropogenic global warming in the scientific literature', Environmental Research Letters 8 (2), 2013.

It shows that 99% of scientists are in agreement with the fact that global warming is the result of man made action. Bazz thought it said the opposite, that is why he was so eager in telling everyone about it. The sort of thing that happens when the illiterate amongst us (nudge nudge wink wink, know who I mean) start debating on matters that they are ignorant about.

I once watched a journalist try a survey in the street to see if people just signed a petition without understanding what they were agreeing too. The survey was; "Do you agree that Governments should not allow Hydrogen monoxide to enter our water ways." Over 90% of respondents agreed. The true scientists saw the fallacy. Should try this sometime, if it is to do with environment people are conned.

Josephus,

The product they wanted banned was Dihydrogen Monoxide

It has been done by quite a few people these days but I think the first to do it were Penn and Teller...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi3erdgVVTw

Hundreds of signatures. Not thinkers, just joiners. Just people anxious to be part of the 'woke' crowd. We see a lot of it in this group.