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Nature, fragile my foot.

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Look I am not backing away from my lacking in computer skills, but I'm telling you, that the other bookmarks I have are still there as of months or longer.
No there is something weird going on and I just ain't savvy enough to know what it is.
That's why my link is not coloured like it should be.
I found that if I do it the way I have, it is hidden in OLO and can't be touched.
All one has to do is blue the link then play'.
I would like to know if anyone else experiences the same problem if they try to bookmark, Josephus's video.
Posted by ALTRAV, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 2:06:48 AM
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ALTRAV,
Your assumption that because I'm not a climatologist I know about as little about it as you or the average person is false. Indeed it's idiotic! Knowledge on this (and almost any subject) is a continuum, and anyone can find out more about it, but some choose to remain wilfully ignorant.

?If the science is so clear and absolute, with no questions or doubts,
>then why is there still discord and not complete accord?
Three reasons:
Doubting is human nature. It's normal to doubt, and that's normally a good thing as it keeps you open to the possibilities that others may ignore. It is also common to overestimate the significance of what you're working on, until you have firm evidence to the contrary; again this is normally a good thing because it keeps you motivated.
But it's unlikely anyone at the Heartland Institute conference were there merely because of doubt. The people there had come for the other two reasons:

The second, and most powerful reason is political bias. Doing something about climate change requires government action, which invokes cognitive dissonance in those who believe that government intervention will always cause more problems than it addresses. They totally lose their objectivity, because the possibility that action could possibly require government intervention is too counterintuitive for their feeble minds to grasp. So they conclude it couldn't possibly be true - a deluded conclusion that allows them to support policies that will, if left unchecked, result in the need for far more government action.

And then there are those who just follow the money. Koch Industries (and indeed a lot of other fossil fuel companies) have huge amounts of money available for any scientists who support the denials position. Were that not so, the Heartland Institute probably wouldn't exist, and certainly wouldn't be so active on the subject of global warming.

(tbc)
Posted by Aidan, Thursday, 3 October 2019 1:10:26 AM
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ALTRAV (continued)

It is not a desire not to feel like the odd one out that determines my opinion. I don't automatically go with the majority view, and never have done. I make up my own mind and have become quite accustomed to being the odd one out. But I do recognise the majority is the majority for a reason. It's sensible to look at minority views to see if there's something they know that the majority doesn't. Very often there is, but in this case there isn't. Alternative hypotheses which were credible around the turn of the millennium, such as global brightening and the effects of changing solar conditions, have since been investigated and found to have only a small effect.

The evidence is clear, and I'm not sufficiently gullible to sit on the fence instead of following it.
Posted by Aidan, Thursday, 3 October 2019 1:17:01 AM
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Aidan, if you are really look at the actual weather records for the last 120 years, if you can still find them, & what today is the result of homogenisation & "correction" of those records by the Bureau & all other authorities around the western world, you will find one thing.

The entire claimed warming in the last 100 years is down to arbitrary "corrections" in that record. These "authorities" refuse to give meaningful reasons for these corrections.

You will also see, if you are honest, & want to see the facts, that stations the temperatures chosen for use in the planets temperature have dropped most of the records from cold places.

There is just too much smoke & mirrors involved in this for it to be honest fact. If there is so much smoke, & the global warming scammers can't eliminate that smoke, & show an honest picture, they obviously can't be trusted.

When you get statements from senior UN people "that global warming has never been about temperature but equity & wealth distribution", & UK select committees that personal transport is not compatible with decarbonising the planet, you have to be a simple fool to believe any of it.

It is a Trojan horse used in an attempt to reduce the living standard of the masses in the west, & prevent the east from attaining those standards. Anyone who can't see this is not looking, it is so clear & becoming more so daily.
Posted by Hasbeen, Thursday, 3 October 2019 11:11:00 AM
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Nice try, Hasbeen, but your claim that it's all down to adjustments is a pack of lies. Even if there weren't meaningful reasons for the corrections, there's been a lot more warming than could be sensibly attributed to them.

But more importantly, the warming is not confined to the western world. It's global, and many countries are experiencing much bigger rises in temperature than we are.

And of course global warming is about temperature, no matter how much people try to use it to advance their own agendas.

And your claim that it's all a conspiracy to reduce living standards is ludicrous. The short term impact on living standards of decarbonisation is negligible, and the long term impact is positive. Whereas the long term impact of global warming on living standards could be catastrophic.
Posted by Aidan, Thursday, 3 October 2019 12:36:12 PM
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an attempt to reduce the living standard of the masses in the west
Hasbeen,
Well, a reduction in frivolous living would be great for the environment & the mentality of the next generation.
Posted by individual, Thursday, 3 October 2019 1:06:29 PM
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