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Nature, fragile my foot.

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Has anyone else noticed that Google does not allow them viewing sites that are contrary to Global warming? Every time I go to such sites Google closes down.
Posted by Josephus, Monday, 30 September 2019 3:13:37 PM
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Aidan,

were you watching the same video?
Boring?
It wasn't meant to be for entertainment, but for information.
Did you miss the message altogether or what.
Firstly it was a major and credible organisation, presenting well respected people in their field of CC.
It was a conference on CLIMATE CHANGE!
Did you miss the message at the beginning, in bold letters telling us that 31,000 scientists, petitioned the govt to not believe the GW CC thing as it was grossly exaggerated, and we were not heading for any such catastrophe as proclaimed by the alarmists.
Aidan, as I have been saying all along, if there is not consensus in something, I cannot/must not believe in it.
This video was not meant to seek to win a logi, whether it is boring or not is irrelevant.
It is meant to show that firstly, there is dissent amongst the ones who should know better, and secondly, they do not believe that the level of hype about GW and CC are as serious as they are made out to be.
Then we have the question of whether we have contributed any CO2 to make any noticeable difference to this whole debacle.
That's what this video is about, not whether you found it worthy of an award or not.
Posted by ALTRAV, Monday, 30 September 2019 6:14:03 PM
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Josephus,

I thought it was me and my incompetence at computing, but, yes I have, and what's even more frightening is I put your video in my bookmarks so I can shove it up stubborn people's ......, only to find that it has disappeared, when I have gone to access it.
I have replaced it four times so far and each time I have gone to retrieve it, it's gone.
Some bastards are setting an unhealthy and unwanted agenda.
If GW or CC are such a done deal, then there should be no need for all this push-back to the anti GW CC movement.
If it is all true, let the nay-sayers say what they want, because if it is all true then we will all suffer the consequences.
The believers will go on believing and all will be well.
So why make such a lot of effort stopping something irrelevant like the deniers?
That is why your video is in normal print, so that all one does is to blue the link and then play it.
I have stuffed them up by simply referring to your original link and cutting and pasting from their.
Luckily it is hidden and protected from attack by being concealed within OLO, so the only way it can be removed there is if OLO remove it.
I doubt that will happen, because if it did it would send alarm bells out to OLOéns and would lose them their followers.
Posted by ALTRAV, Monday, 30 September 2019 6:17:59 PM
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ALTRAV,
>were you watching the same video?
Yes.
>Boring?
Very dull.
>It wasn't meant to be for entertainment, but for information.
But what new information was there? It was just some rightwing guy droning on about climate change not being such a serious threat, but providing no evidence for his claims.

>Did you miss the message altogether or what.
No I rejected it.

>Firstly it was a major and credible organisation, presenting well respected people in their field of CC.
>It was a conference on CLIMATE CHANGE!
It was a HEARTLAND INSTITUTE conference on climate change. The Heartland Institute is effectively the public policy arm of Koch Industries, and their climate change conferences were just denialists' conventions. I doubt any reputable scientists attended.

>Did you miss the message at the beginning, in bold letters telling us that 31,000 scientists
>petitioned the govt to not believe the GW CC thing as it was grossly exaggerated
No, but it was unimpressive. They weren't specified to be working in related fields (such as climatology and oceanography) and there are millions of scientists around the world so finding 31000 with any view shouldn't be that hard.

>Aidan, as I have been saying all along, if there is not consensus in something, I cannot/must not believe in it.
I can't understand that attitude. Firstly, why do you follow the herd rather than following the evidence? Secondly, how strong a consensus must there be before you believe in anything? You'll be hard pressed to find a stronger consensus on any issue than on this! Thirdly, why are you so keen to believe the reverse when the proportion of scientists supporting that is tiny and the evidence against it is overwhelming?

The video is the sort of propaganda that you'd have to be a proper goose to fall for.

>Then we have the question of whether we have contributed any CO2 to make any noticeable difference
The answer is such a clear YES that I'm surprised you're still stuck on it.
Posted by Aidan, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 1:28:55 AM
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Josephus, what do you mean by "Google closes down"?

ALTRAV, do you honestly believe Google (who own the site that hosts that video) are hacking your bookmarks? Ockham's Razor, and also Hanlon's Razor, suggest that your earlier explanation (your own incompetence at computing) is far more likely.

We're all in this together, and all certainly won't be well if we suffer harsh consequences. But those consequences are easily avoided.
Posted by Aidan, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 1:40:33 AM
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Aidan,

your guilty of the very same things you accuse the people in the video of.
The main point I will respond to from your response is; about consensus.
If the science is so clear and absolute, with no questions or doubts, then why is there still discord and not complete accord?
The answer is that climate is not a fixed quantum, it is variable and therefore because it is not a fixed and set discipline, a lot of it is by reference and historical data all of which is intangible and subjective prone to variations, because of the many factors influencing the climate.
It is very sad that you choose to reject this video on the basis of YOUR personal beliefs, because if you are not a climatologist, you know about as much about CC as I or any other average Joe.
In which case you should be on the fence like myself and not be so quick to take a side, simply because you don't want to feel like the odd one out.
You certainly cannot expect us to believe that you believe in CC because you have done your own research and calculations, and have concluded it to be correct.
You haven't so get back on the fence with the rest of us where you belong.
Posted by ALTRAV, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 1:59:40 AM
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