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The Aged Pension, The Elephant In The Room

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Why pay it to those that never paid tax.
Paul1405,
Everyone paid tax ! To never have paid Tax means to have never existed ! Some have to pay more than others, yes and, that's what needs to be addressed asap !
Posted by individual, Saturday, 14 September 2019 1:35:33 PM
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Paul,

Can you see the difference between someone who has worked all her life, paid tax, and retires with a crook back at 65 (soon to be 67) - and someone who has never worked a day in his life, paid GST like everyone else on his purchases, but barely ever any income tax, and 'retires' at 65 or 67 ?

Yes, the person employed for life has been able to have compulsory superannuation put aside out of her wages for the past twenty seven years or so - but that isn't some sort of gift, it's a (Keating-inspired) putting-aside of part of her wages, in lieu of a pay rise from back then. It's hers by right, not by some governmental generosity: it's back-pay. She's entitled to it, just as she has worked for, and is entitled to her pension. She's earned it.

Sure, pay the drop-kick his pension when it is due, but let's not pretend he's earned it.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Saturday, 14 September 2019 2:29:06 PM
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not by some governmental generosity:
Loudmouth,
This has been brought up here not long ago. Public Servants do receive additional subsidy to beef up their Super.
Posted by individual, Saturday, 14 September 2019 6:51:23 PM
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Hi Joe,

Compulsory superannuation is one thing, the aged pension is entirely a different matter. Those with a philosophical mind set that opposes welfare as a matter of principle, and then partake of welfare through the aged pension are being hypocritical. There are plenty of people who paid taxes in the past, yet through a means test system do not receive an aged pension. It is an invalided justification to claim "I paid taxes in the past, so therefore I'm entitled to an aged pension." If that was the case then everyone who paid tax in the past would qualify for the aged pension upon reaching pensionable age. Agree?
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 14 September 2019 9:01:27 PM
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Agree?
Paul1405,
Yes and, as you stated earlier NZ has that. Why can't we ? Are the people of NZ smarter ? One could certainly be excused for thinking that !
Posted by individual, Saturday, 14 September 2019 9:09:57 PM
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Those privileged to have a good Super are not blue collar wage earners, they're mainly Public Servants who never had to stress out about their jobs based on performance ! All they have to do is do nothing so they can't do anything wrong.
It's so easy for them to ridicule those who actually had to work & save !
Posted by individual, Saturday, 14 September 2019 9:16:50 PM
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