A Tamil family from Sri Lanka who has lived
and worked in the Queensland town of Biloela
has had all of their appeals and
applications to stay in Australia rejected.

Mr Peter Dutton insists that the family does not
qualify for refugee status.

Initially the parents came as individuals
separately by boat.

They met and married in Australia, and their children
were born here. They had been told all along that they
could not stay and their visas have expired and their
appeals have been rejected.

The town of Biloela has
gathered over 200,000 signatures and wants the
family to stay. The family has lived and worked in
Biloela for approximately a little over five years.

They have now been taken to the Christmas Island
Detention Centre.

Should Mr Dutton make an exception in their case?

This poor family is being driven through Hell daily. Either let them stay & make it crystal clear from today onwards that their case is the first & last of its kind. Or give them some help to set themselves up away from their presumed enemies with a new identity & religion. If Dutton loses his authority, tens of thousands will be at our doorstep in a matter of days.
Dutton is damned if he does & damned if he doesn't ! Australians need to back him up no matter what party loyalty they may have. This is a hugely serious case.
We simply can't afford any more sympathy because we're being taken for a ride.
I truly feel for them yet we can not afford to yield any more !
I suggest to those whose emotions are stronger than their sense of self preservation to support them financially wherever they can live.

Individual,

I agree with you on this one.

It's heart-breaking. However, I'm
hoping that Mr Dutton will make this one
exception - as he did with the nannies.
These people have already been here for
over five years and the rural town wants
and needs them to stay. If they're sent
back - their lives will be in danger.

Heart breaking and the costs
A single family sees Christmas Island reopened and in truth this could have been settled without this pain or costs

They should have been deported long ago and saved us a lot of money. They are not refugees, and they slipped by having children here, thinking that would help them. But, children born in Australia are NOT automatically Australian unless at least one parent is a citizen or a permanent resident. These parents, illegal immigrants, are neither.

The people making a fuss over this are lawless traitors, who should be locked up with these illegals.

Let's just think how much effort & money has gone into this dreadful saga. How many families could have been supported for years from just the money that's gone to the lawyers who dragged it all out for their own benefit !
Issues like this should be solved in less than a week ! A friend of mine paid her life's savings to Immigration & waited a year for a decision for a permanent Visa only to have it rejected & she had to return to literally nothing with no money. Some of these Immigration officers really need to be made to make instant decisions, not ruin many peoples' lives with indecision.
If they haven't got the sense & competence to make a decision within a month they should let people remain & if they are found to be a fraud then deport them within a month.
Just make a decision according to the Law ! Why should that take four years ? That's insane !
These officers should be charged for wasting huge sums of public money.

It is about time legal aid was fixed.

It should be available only to full citizens, & only for one representation every 5 years.

Continual appeals should have to be paid for by the person, not the state.

I also can't help wondering why it took so long
for these people's fate to be decided. If they
were not refugees why were they kept here for so long?

This cruelty is beyond imagination.

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Dear Foxy,

«Should Mr Dutton make an exception in their case?»

Then he would no longer be Dutton!

Had Dutton been the defence-minister rather than the home-affairs minister, he would have ordered a battalion of tanks to surround Biloela, kill everyone there with machine-gun fire and fire-bombs, then raize Biloela to the ground. Just shiver when considering that this Nazi monster almost became Australia's prime-minister.

The people of Queensland and/or Biloela now ought to secede from the commonwealth of Australia, but will they have the courage?

One psychopath is understandable, but what pains me is the obedience of police and border-force. Will they too one day claim that they "only obeyed orders"?

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Dear Hasbeen,

«Continual appeals should have to be paid for by the person, not the state.»

I agree. There is no need for the state to pay at all. I already chipped my donation and so have so far over 200,000 Australians: this should suffice, otherwise I will chip some more.

http://www.change.org/p/peter-dutton-bring-priya-back-to-biloela

I think if lying activist and sleazy pollies like Phelps, Banks and Labour had not deceitfully pushed their medivac bill this poor family might have found mercy. Personally I see no advantage in returning them now although Phelps, Banks, Keneally etc should be charged with treason.

As a second thought, if 200,000 Australians chipped only $25 each, then this miserable family could come in through the front door: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-30/significant-investor-visa-review/11450694?section=business

I've found out more about this case - and it
appears there's much more to it than I first
thought.

Here's what the ABC tells us:

Priya and Nadesalingam also known as Nades came to
Australia as separate individuals by boat in 2012
and 2013.

Friends and support groups say that they fled Sri Lanka
because of the persecution of the Tamil people.

The couple met and married and then settled in the
Central Queensland town of Biloela where they lived
and worked for about 3 years.

Their two daughters were born in Australia now aged 4 and 2.

It's understood that their visas expired between June and
February 2018.

The Department of Home Affairs has repeatedly said the
family's case has been comprehensively assessed over many
years and they have consistently been found not to meet
Australia's protection obligations.

The family also had their appeal rejected by the Federal
Circuit Court in June last year.

cont'd ...

cont'd ...

In that judgement the judge noted that Nades had
returned to Sri Lanka on 3 occasions during the
civil war and there was no evidence to suggest his
family still living in Sri Lanka was at risk from
authorities.

The judge also noted the passage of time since the
Sri Lankan civil war which ended in May 2009.

After their visas expired the family were removed
from their home by Border Force Officials in March
2018. They were flown to a detention centre in Melbourne
where they remained until Thursday night.

On Thursday night they were taken to Melbourne airport
and were to be flown back to Sri Lanka when an
injunction order was granted by a judge and their
plane was stopped in Darwin.

Since then the family has been taken to Christmas Island.
Now it is up to the Government to decide what they are
going to do with this family.

Their supporters hope that the family will be able to stay
in Australia.

Dear Foxy,

So let us assume that indeed they are not refugees - is this the right way to treat any good human, even an animal?

"
In that judgement the judge noted that Nades had
returned to Sri Lanka on 3 occasions during the
civil war and there was no evidence to suggest his
family still living in Sri Lanka was at risk from
authorities."

That should the end of the affair, and they should be deported.

>In that judgement the judge noted that Nades had returned to Sri Lanka on 3 occasions during the civil war

Where from?

Humanity is running last here
See anti refugee sentiment is seen first second and last
We centrists need to find ways around that, because for so many the humanity is secondary
This Family did arrive by boat, like it or not more than we wish , will never except such arrivals
Will vote to stop it
Yet they fit our very best interests, live in a small country town, live as part of that community not a separatism we call multiculturalism
Have two Aussie born kids, Alan and Barnaby want to keep them here
Their new home town wants to keep them
While bush towns struggle to keep people we are spending surely a million dollars? to send this family away
We are weaker for our heartless actions

It's starting to look to me like an attempt to trying a new scheme to get into the country gone wrong.
The blame lies solely with Australian bureaucrats & Lawyers not Peter Dutton. They're the ones who dragged it all out due to greed & incompetence. Sack them !

I would be extremely surprised if Peter 'Jackboots' Dutton and his Fuhrer ScuMo cave in on this one. This case has nothing to do with kindness but has everything to do with maintaining a staunch political platform and a promise to turn back illegal refugees. It's all about ScuMo and Dutton getting re-elected.

Australia takes in around nineteen thousand refugees each year, on the basis that life is too dangerous for them to stay in their home country.

So what is the legal and humanitarian situation when the situation changes, and they are quite safe to return home ?

So much time may have passed that they and their children may have become well-settled in Australia, so perhaps they can apply to have their status changed from 'refugee' to 'immigrant' ? Or 'citizen' ? Otherwise they may have to return home.

But if so much time has passed that they have applied for, and become citizens, then they are citizens, end of. Welcome.

Joe

Joe,

So why didn't these people apply legally to come here as immigrants rather than pay people smugglers to bring them here. Three times, according to your girlfriend, during the 'war' one of them returned to Sri Lanka, where he could have made a formal application. Sorry, mate: I know you confuse weakness with kindness sometimes, but these people are cast iron rotters who should not be here. The Immigration Minister says so; the PM says so, and the High Court says so. A few loonies in town with a ridiculous name have no say in immigration law

Dear Aidan,

You asked from where did Nades go back to Sri Lanka.

I presume that Nades went back to Sri Lanka 3 times
from Australia. The civil war ended in 2009 and
they didn't come out to Australia until 2012, 2013.

Foxy,

I have to commend you for posting information that is certainly not positive for these people. Facts are very important when emotions run high at the expense of facts and legality.

Foxy,

Of course, thank you for that information. Is it possible that they can apply for a sponsored regional work visa in Biloela, once they've returned safely to Sri Lanka ?

Joe

ttbn,

I felt obliged to give the new information once I got hold
of it. I was not aware of their circumstances and I'm not
sure what's going to happen next to this family.

cont'd ...

It does appear though that they were given a fair hearing
by both the government and the Federal Circuit Court and
the judges. I think their chances of a reprieve appear
slim.

Foxy,
>I presume that Nades went back to Sri Lanka 3 times
>from Australia. The civil war ended in 2009 and
>they didn't come out to Australia until 2012, 2013.

Yes, but your presumption is insufficient, as it contradicts your earlier quote that:
:In that judgement the judge noted that Nades had
:returned to Sri Lanka on 3 occasions DURING the civil war

If the ABC report was wrong and those visits had occurred since the civil war, it does not (as some assume) logically follow that the claim was false. It could have meant they were visiting to see whether it was safe (with the intention of permanently returning) but concluded it wasn't yet. And if that s the case, our government's intervention was unnecessary and unjustified.

_______________________________________________________________________________

ttbn,
>So why didn't these people apply legally to come here as immigrants
>rather than pay people smugglers to bring them here.
Because Australia's immigration system discriminates against potential refugees. Work visa (ad also student visa) applications from refugee source countries get automatically rejected.

If we really want to stop the boats, we should give people a better alternative. And until we do so, we should not begrudge those who come here by boat.

Dear Aidan,

I have no way of knowing what the reasons
were for Nades returning to Sri Lanka on
3 occasions after the end of the civil war.
However I would assume that he would have
explained his reasons to the Federal Circuit
Court judge in his appeal.
The judge rejected his explanation - finding that
there was no evidence to suggest his family still
living in Sri Lanka was at risk from authorities.

The judge also noted the passage of time since the
Sri Lankan civil war which ended in May 2009.

None of us really know the real situation in Sri Lanka.
I don't think that we're able to fully judge the
situation there.

However, I appreciate your comments, and hope that
this case will be reviewed. I do feel for this family.
Especially when our rural towns so desperately need
people to live and work. People who are willing to settle
there.

Also the Minister did use his Ministerial Discretion
Powers to intervene in 3 cases of au pairs. Perhaps he
may be encouraged to do the same in this case.

It's all about ScuMo and Dutton getting re-elected.
Mr Opinion,
You would say so of course but it really should be about the bureaucrats working that case to be sacked !

Here's the latest news on the Tamil family:

http://theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/sep/01/australians-to-rally-to-save-biloela-tamil-family-from-deportation

These people have cost Australian taxpayers millions of dollars by appealing to the Federal Magistrates Court, the Federal Court and the High Court. There appeals have been rejected in all cases because THEY ARE NOT REFUGEES.

They were told by the Gillard and Rudd governments that they would never be settled in Australia. Where was the fuss from the Left then?

1,500 other Sri Lankans with similar stories have already been returned to their own country, and others will follow. These people have re-started their lives in Sri Lanka in perfect safety.

Australia's intake of genuine refugees is capped at 18,750: extremely generous.

The ones having a fuss made of them by completely naive and unrealistic activists were told before they had children here that they WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO REMAIN IN AUSTRALIA; they ignored that advice.

Children born in Australia to non-Australians have the same status as their illegal entry parents. They are NOT Australians either.

As I said earlier, it gradually starts to look like a new tactic faltering !

Before one gets teary eyed:

1 The Sri Lankan war finished in 2009 5 years before the illegals landed in Aus
2 The illegals were informed that they faced no credible threat in Sri Lanka and that they did not meet the requirements for asylum within months of arriving.
3 That they have remained in Aus is because the left whinge lawyers have fought their deportation up to the high court which they have lost every time at the cost of $100 000s

If these economic migrants get to stay, then it means that there is no effective border control and the only criteria is that you have landed on Aus soil.

They should be given the hint that when they arrive in Sri Lanka go to
the Australian Embassy apply to migrate and mention that they have a
job offer in regional Queensland and they may find a form with their name on it.
That will enforce the mantra that arrive by boat and you will not stay in Australia.
You need to watch what is happening in the Mediterranean.
Australia's policy is well known around the Mediterranean so they don't bother.

The rabble ranting and raving against the legal deportation of Sri Lankan illegals, who have been proved not to be refugees is another example of certain people preferring mob rule over rule of law. The same people would, without a doubt, have been baying for George Pell's blood on the basis of a single witnesses's forty years' old memory.

Their foul, stupid treachery is, also undoubtedly, responsible for the coming of more boats from Sri Lanka, reported overnight.

Like many other mental defectives, these people should be confined in an appropriate institution to protect the public and the country.

Seven times theses illegals have been rejected, yet the insane mob continues to demonstrate its lack of fitness to exist in a democratic society.

Just revealed: less than a month ago Border Force intercepted a boat of Sri Lankans off Christmas Island, and flew them back home immediately. It can be done and, with a determined Peter Dutton, it will be done.

Foxy: Should Mr Dutton make an exception in their case?

No, I don't think so. That would give every Greenie/Left/socialist/Marxist Nut Case to start screaming, "If they can, so can everyone else who came here illegally." That would not be a good thing to happen.

These people came here illegally, (proven) are not refugees in the sense of the UNCHR Definition. (proven) Therefore they cannot be granted Asylum. They have had numerous Appeals rejected, both of them (proven)

Now it's time to go back to Sri Lanka & apply to immigrate to Australia, as anybody else has had to do. Mr. Dutton & the PM has stated that they would look unusually favourably on their Application.

Every Business, School, University, Government Office, Sports Club & anything else you would like to think off has Procedures. If any of these Agencies don't follow the Procedures, "To the Letter" there is hell to pay. That's why there are Royal Commissions etc, "because someone didn't follow Procedure."

These people must follow the proper Procedure. Then, they would be welcome back, with hundreds of people waiting in line to be their Sponsors.

I've read everything that I could on this particular
case and I've come to the conclusion that the sooner
this case is resolved the better. It's dragged on for far
too long.

The facts do seem to stack up that these people are not
genuine refugees. Nades has traveled freely to Sri
Lanka without being arrested. His family is living quite
safely in that country. Their case has been rejected after
being assessed by multiple government agencies.

If we truly believe in due process and respect our laws
then this family must be sent back and as many here have
stated - they need to go through the official and formal
process of applying officially to come to this country.

I'm sure that their application forms will be given due
consideration.

The government and Mr Dutton are in an awkward at present.
They cannot go against the rule of law as it currently stands.
Those who bring up the issue of the au pairs that Mr Dutton
made an exception forget that it was a totally
different matter - the au pairs were only seeking temporary
visa extensions - not to stay permanently.

A fat woman with dyed hair pictured in this morning's press holding up a placard saying, "Deport Dutton Now".

What a brilliant idea. Let's deport an elected government minister for doing the job he is paid to do: protect our borders and uphold the rule of law.

This mad woman and the morons herding like startled sheep around her should be the ones deported, along with their Sri Lankan mates.

Well he husbands trips to and from home amount to self defeat in his claim it is dangerous to send them home
Too the need to not restart what is clearly *financial refugees* boats from his country rules here
Yet I still think a quietly made choice to let them stay would have been the right one

Dear Jayb,

«That would give every Greenie/Left/socialist/Marxist Nut Case to start screaming»

Such as... Barnaby Joyce?

http://www.pedestrian.tv/news/barnaby-joyce-peter-dutton-biloela-tamil-family-deportation/

Despite this foolish "Left-Right" division, everyone can have a heart and the "Left" has no monopoly on compassion. In fact, they beget Stalin, Mao and similar monsters.

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Just a thought for those who are so obsessed with following procedures: given that Nadesalingam flew out and came back by plane, surely he is no longer a "boat-person"!

Dear Yuyutsu,

Nah, this is just a typical bit of projection. What the bloke is really saying is;

"That would give every Rightwing/racist/bigoted/WASP
Nut Case like me motivation to start screaming, "If they can, so can everyone else who came here illegally.""

Which is exactly what he is doing right now.

Dear Foxy,

Look you need not worry yourself. In next to no time Morrison will sell off the entire visa system to one of his wealthy mates and all this will be covered by a commercial in confidence clause.

100% guaranteed.

Dear Steelie,

Are you having a go at me?

Dear Foxy,

Not at all.

Rather I was flagging that the Morrison government will be selling off every thing they can manage to raise money and this will include our visa system.

Once that happens we can kiss transparency goodbye.

Just image how quick the elite will be lining up to fast track their o pairs.

Dear Steelie,

I'm more optimistic.

I think that the Opposition and the Independents
would allow this to happen.

I also have more faith in our PM.

OOOps - I meant to say that I think that the
Opposition and the Independents would NOT allow
this to happen.

Dear Foxy,

I am not.

"Meet the Tripodinas, the Sydney fruit and veg moguls and Liberal Party donors behind the bid to privatise Australia’s visa system. Michael Sainsbury reports.

Flemington market’s fruit and vegetable mogul Santo Peter Tripodina and his 38-year old son, property developer Adrian Tripodina, have emerged as mystery power-brokers behind the one of the two bids for the Federal Government’s $1 billion visa privatisation.

Together with longtime Packer lieutenant Ashok Jacob’s Ellerston group of companies, the Tripodinas will be providing the financial grunt behind the Australian Visa Processing Pty Ltd consortium. The front man for the AVP bidders is Scott Briggs, a friend and political advisor to Prime Minister Scott Morrison."

http://www.michaelwest.com.au/scomos-mates-mate-and-the-billion-dollar-privatisation-of-australias-visa-system/

Dear Steelie,

Very disappointing and disheartening.

I guess money talks.

Whatever happened to statesmanship, and integrity
in politics?

If our visa system is privatised and sold off -
the standards will decline and transparency and
accountability will be a major concern. It will
open up the market for cheap labour,
and gradual decline of government control.
Privatisation is a business -
interested in profit at any cost and little regard
for the consequences on society.

We've seen this happening with our building industry
recently.

Dear Foxy,

(Just flagging sarcasm is about to follow)

Please why don't you give some thought to our government ministers after they retire. Bishop and Pine would love to sit on boards of privatised departments. I'm sure Dutton will be looking for some cushy jobs post politics and what better than on the board of a company that is now running Australia's visa program.

Also why aren't you thinking about all the poor dolts on this forum who voted the coalition in at the last election, how on earth will they spin this?

At least you and I deem it outrageous.

Economic news this morning warns us this government is leading down a very steep hill
Social media is flooded with Dutton going against immigration
To let his mates two baby minders stay against immigration advice

I agree with Foxy and Steele,

If our "privatised" immigration prisons are any guide, then there is nothing to be served by a billion dollar plumb for Liberal mates in the form of a privatised visa processing system. Hopefully the Senate will do its job and vote down this shameful attempt at money grabbing by the Coalition.

how on earth will they spin this?
Steele redux,
When you have a Coalition figurehead but the whole of the incompetent outfit is Labor supporter saturated then you don't need to spin anything, it's all self-explanatory !

Indi,

Left whingers would rather spend double the tax dollars on inefficient public servants doing a job, not because the bureaucrats do the job any better, but rather that the last refuge of union flunkeys is in the public service.

What exactly is the 'entire visa system'?

Boy, it's a pretty addled brain that intrudes into a serious post with such nonsense; and there is no shortage of addled brains from the festering Left.

That's right Shadow, you sack hard working public servants, and then claim you saved a million dollars, only to replace those hard working public servants with mates, and other flunkies and lackeys at a cost of two million dollars!

Five Sri Lankan illegal boats stopped and dealt with since May.

And the government really shouldn't send a strong message by sending the pests packing?

The people smugglers are probably showing their idiot would-be customers footage of a few idiot Australians wanting illegals to stay; and the idiots believe it. You would have to be a idiot to fall for it; an idiot to get on some old fishing boat; an idiot not to know that you have to actually apply, and be approved, before you are entitled to enter a foreign country.

We don't need any more idiots to add to the idiots screeching and waving homemade placards, or the the no-borders idiots on OLO.

And while you guys are arguing about a handful of people coming in from Sri Lanka ScuMo and his mates are bringing in hundreds of thousands of cashed up Chinese from mainland China each year swamping our major population points with them and allowing them to buy up unlimited properties and businesses, giving Australia a Chinese future all to the advantage of the Chinese Communist Party.

How close we came to having Keneally as the Immigration minister. Imagine her with Phelphs, Banks and Zali destroying this nation in a matter of months.

Dear runner,

We should leave it to ScuMo. He's doing such a good job of turning Australia into a Chinese province.

Dear Mr Opinion,

You do realise don't you -
that the Chinese have been part of this
country for hundreds of years and we haven't
had any problems except in the minds of people
like Pauline Hanson - who by the way will
target anyone that suits her political agenda.

100000 in aldi bag went to who Mr Opinion? Has Sam Dastayari now left KK's team and joined ScoMO. Tell me more.

Dear Foxy,

I think we are talking about different things. I'm not interested in the position of Chinese in Australian society; what I am interested in is the place of communist led China in Australia and the implications that this has for everybody.

I think China is a threat to Australia in the same way that Churchill saw Nazi Germany as a threat to Great Britain and Europe or the US saw Japan's rising militarism and imperialism as a threat to Western colonialism in Asia and the Pacific. I believe China has territorial ambitions in the Asia-Pacific region and I think China intends to invade Australia with the aim of incorporating it into its increasingly global empire.

What do you think? Do you think China is a threat to Australia or do we adopt that old Australian attitude of 'Don't worry, it'll be alright'?

The Chinese we have had here throughout our early history were not, and are not, Maoist/Leninist communists. It's not hard to pick the history-illiterate posters out: they are always the know-alls.

Dear ttbn,

What is your background in history? Or humanities in general for that matter?

a good job of turning Australia into a Chinese province.
Mr Opinion,
You're confusing the present PM with Kevin Rudd ! He was the one who kept boasting about speaking Mandarin.

Mr. Opinion,

You don't need to know, especially in a thread on illegal immigrants, and I have never felt the need to talk about myself, unlike some. I don't take any notice of what other people say about themselves, either: they might be telling the truth, or they might not. I don't care. I'm interested in opinions, not about personal stuff.

You might be interested in my recent post on a woman who makes all sorts of claims about herself.

The internet is a paradise for Walter Mittys and all sorts of liars. I know of a woman, addicted to talk back radio over several stations, who describes callers who have different stories about themselves for each station they contact. Sad but harmless (maybe not for the liars themselves).

ttbn,

Still throwing faeces.

How about actually contributing rationally
to the discussion. No matter what we think of
you, it would be good to see you contributing
something more meaningful.

About the Chinese. Did you know that the Chinese consider Australia as part of China. I had this very argument with some Chinese people while I was in Hong Kong in the late 60's.

Just like they claim the South China Seas. Even Malaysia belongs to China because some Emperor sent one of his minor Princesses & 6000 retainers to marry a Prince of Malacca in about 780AD. It then became a Vassal State of China.

They also claim Indonesia belongs to them as a Vassal State also. The Chinese also came to Australia to gather Camphor Wood, Beach de Mer & Pearls. Australia is their Great Southern Land. Any Land owned by the Chinese is actually owned by the "State." That's how China works.

Now that's all an aside & Bulldust. The argument is about allowing the Economic Refugees & are not recognised by the UNCHR Code as being Refugees to reside in Australia. Now if they are allowed to stay that them opens the Door for every Lefty/Socialist/Marxist/PC Lawyer to rub their hands in glee at the prospect of earning Millions in Appeals.

These people are being subjected to undue harm, because of the Trauma of being dragged through the Courts by Lefty/Socialist/Marxist/PC people who are doing their damdest to destroy Australia Cultural Heritage.

These people have been put through the wringer by these people & have failed multiple times. It's time they accepted the verdict of the Australian people & the Courts. What part of the "Procedure" don't these people understand or are being Conned by their supporters.

They have been told, informed, that when they get back to Sri Lanka to put in an Application to immigrate to Australia & the Immigration Authority, Mr. Dutton & the PM will look upon their Application favorably.

As I said before. It's all about "Procedure" & they, like everyone else in Australia," have to follow the Procedure. If we don't there would be Anarchy, which is what the Lefty/Socialist/Marxist/ PC people are all about. Ay.

Foxy,

Your gibber about monkey poop makes a nice change from your non-stop bull poop.

This case has dragged on for far too long.
These people were the ones who have dragged their
children through the courts and who have delayed
this inevitable outcome by their persistent
appeals. All their appeals were rejected by the
courts. It is past due time that they were returned
to their own country and lodged a formal application
to live in Australia or alternatively decide to
live with their family in Sri Lanka.

Their chances of currently staying here are slim -
despite the media and political involvement.
The Home Affairs Minister is not backing down,
neither is the PM. They are not refugees, and they
were told from the very beginning that they could
not stay. Unfortunately, they chose not to listen.

Has anyone considered the likelihood that Priya and Nadesalingam married and had children with the belief that the Australian government would automatically grant them permanent residency on the grounds that they were married with kids. Were they trying to deceive the authorities and their perfect plan came unstuck because ScuMo and Dutton don't want to be seen as soft on border control? A matter of being in the right place at the wrong time.

ttbn,

If you don't like my opinion of you,
you can always improve.

Dear Mr Opinion,

It does appear that what you are suggesting
could be true.

Apart from Dutton, how many bureaucrats in Immigration are Conservatives ? 2, 5 maybe a couple more ?

Dear Foxy,

There are a lot of people in the third world wanting to migrate to Australia to have a first world lifestyle and desperate people do desperate things. How many older people get divorced in order to get the single pension each instead of relying on the couples pension? So I think it's quite easy to imagine that two people would establish a family if they thought it would afford them an opportunity to stay in Australia.

Dear Mr Opinion,

I can't argue with your intelligent reasoning.

ttbn,

If you don't like my opinion of you,
you can always improve.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 3 September 2019 5:51:33 PM

Your arrogance is beyond bounds! What ever gave you the idea that your opinion was important! You are in the same camp as the 3 other Left Nutters.

Dear Mr. Opinon,

«There are a lot of people in the third world wanting to migrate to Australia to have a first world lifestyle and desperate people do desperate things. How many older people get divorced in order to get the single pension each instead of relying on the couples pension?»

Why, they should be able to physically arrive (provided they do not pose a health/criminal/terrorist risk) and remain so long as they cause no trouble, but why should this give them any right to a pension or similar costly privileges and protections? They don't even need to be allowed into crowded cities like Sydney or Melbourne that do not want them. Let them be citizens of Biloela, Tasmania, or other such places that welcome them, they need not necessarily be accepted as residents/citizens of Australia just because they happen to live on land which Australia claims as its own.

Why do so many people think Australia's objective should be to deter migration rather than to profit from it?

Paul,

Once again you post unsubstantiated bollocks. That a private enterprise delivers the same services at a fraction of the cost to the taxpayer is a benefit to all except the left whingers who don't care a crap about the taxpayer and are losing union flunkeys.

That princess Keneally is saying that Labor would let them and the other 6000 non refugees stay and that it would not start the boats again is the same delusion that killed 1200 women and children and cost the country $10bn to $20bn.

Dear Shadow Minister,

Are you really going to sit there and support a privatised visa service?

Come on mate, kick the traces for once. Why on earth do you think this is a good idea when privatising regulation has lead to disaster after disaster.

How is NSW faring after privatising building inspections? Well is save a lot of money as one inspector showed 4 Corners. Instead of inspecting every floor of a high rise it was from memory 2 in 20.

How is the country going with the privatisations of the education sector? Rip offs and rorts galore. Even the Wolf of wallstreet couldn't resist the pots of gold;

http://www.couriermail.com.au/business/wolf-of-wall-street-jordan-belfort-in-taxpayerfunded-australian-training-programs/news-story/58d972da386fe64b177c51f6b9385a7c

Keep singing the songs of the benefits of privatisations, just don't be sad that no one is listening.

ttbn,

I never claimed that my opinion was important - but
obviously it seems to be to you. All I stated was
that if you didn't like my opinion of you - you
could always improve. If it's not important to you
however - why do you choose not to ignore it?

Obviously you seem to care what I think or you
would not be responding. Your actions speak volumes.

I think the Sri Lankan couple will be back as quick as they left. I reckon it has already been arranged for them to complete the migration papers when they get to Sri Lanka in order to have them back in Biloela within six weeks. It would be a win-win for ScuMo and Dutton: they get to show they are tough on border control as well as being compassionate in getting them through immigration and back into Australia. Like I said before, it's all about getting re-elected.

A lot of reckoning there, Mr. Opinion. And, you keep on repeating 'its all about getting re-elected. Duh. Politicians have ever been interested in anything else, nor will they ever be interested in anything else.

Dear ttbn,

From your last comment, on a scale of 1 to 10 it looks like your critical thinking skills are 0.

Today is last-ditch-day for the Sri Lankan sneaks - that's another go after seven previous rejections.

Labor is off to Biloela, the town of ratbags, for 'discussions', again proving that we had a lucky escape at the last election. Should be interesting: there is now a split in ranks, with many Biloelans fed up with the whole thing and changing their minds - they would be the ones with minds to change.

Lurking behind the poster family are another 5,757 illegals, also given bridging visas by some idiot or idiots between 2009 and 2013.

Just imagine the chaos awaiting us if the anti-Australian Marxist maniacs take up the rest of them as a cause.

Mr. O,

At least I haven't been told what to think as you were in the brainwashing facilities that you claim to have attended. You will never know intellectual freedom or truth.

Belly,
No, the correct decision years ago should have been to quietly send them back, but their lawyers and refugee advocates did not want that. They wanted to play the system and use 'public pressure' to force the government to allow them to stay.

Dutton should now put a broom through the legal aid system and cut it drastically so that only citizens can benefit. No more free rides for illegals and their shonky lawyers/supporters.

By the way, a huge cut to the number of refugees allowed in would be in order as well.

Dear ttbn,

You are a very disturbed man with a very distorted view of the world.

Mr Opinion,
ttbn has a very clear view of a very disturbed world, it's you who's mind has been fogged-up by an incomplete education !

Individual,

You appear to be arguing on an emotional level
not a mature intelligent one.

ttbn may well have a very clear view on certain
issues but that does not invalidate Mr Opinion
finding him to be a very disturbed man with a very
distorted view of the world.

As for your opinion that Mr O's mind is fogged up
by an incomplete education? You are not in any
position to be able to judge that for either
yourself or any one else. Firstly you have no
knowledge of Mr O's full education, and your opinions
are of course based on your own education (or lack of).

You are only making comments based on your own
psychological make up - a distinctive set of traits.

cont'd ...

I forgot to add that you are of course entitled
to your own opinion - but not your facts.

Dear Aidan,

You asked earlier on 'Why do so many people think Australia's objective should be to deter migration rather than to profit from it?'

Answer is quite simple: humans are basically greedy and do not want to share their resources, especially with people they see as outsiders. All stems from the time when people stopped being hunter gatherers and took up farming so that they no longer had to wander around in search of food. People then had to start defending their territory against outsiders in order to survive off a fixed food supply. When numbers started to outgrow food supply they then had to start conquering outsiders to expand their fixed food supply. And the rest is history as they say.

"...All stems from the time when people stopped being hunter gatherers..."

Yes, one notes how the hunter gatherers, personified in fairly recent times by the American Indians, who all lived peacefully and shared hunting grounds before they became farmers

The actuality is - Australia has always profited
from migrants. Outside Australia's Indigenous
People, we are all immigrants or descendants of
immigrants - some earlier than others - but all
with an experience of immigration during the
foundation of modern Australia.

Australia is part of the New World, the world of
immigrants, not part of the Old World, or the
places they embark from. This is why we are
suspicious of inherited titles and privileges.
Nobody can afford to get too precious about their
positions or entitlements in this country because
we all know that position and entitlements are
comparatively new.

Australia's immigration experience is also a broad
one. Originally it was narrow - but after the war our
immigrants have broadened and grown considerably in
numbers.

And all these immigrant communities have made successful
contributions to Australian life. And will continue to do so.

individual,

Thanks for the support. Master Opinion isn't out of nappies yet and there's not much hope that his generation will ever grow up; particularly if they think that their Mickey Mouse degrees equip them to make psychiatric diagnoses online! He is a junior Foxy.

Speaking of her ladyship, I notice that she has advised that I should ignore her if I don't like what she says - or words to that effect. That's the only sensible thing she has ever said. I will take the advice. She gets nuttier with every post. I'm too old to be taking notice of frustrated women of a certain age.

I'm not in favour of a unlimited immigration or refugee intake policy, but it has to be pointed out that, without additional people from outside of Australia, our population - dependent on only its very low natural growth - would keep ageing rapidly, with fewer working people and inexorably more non-working people to be supported, on a lower tax base.

Employer-sponsored immigration and an overseas foreign student body contribute to GDP considerably. Our educated work-force would shrink without skilled labour from overseas, and universities' budgets would be crippled without the income (pretty unequal as it is) from overseas students.

Just throwing it in there.

Joe

Loudmouth: without additional people from outside of Australia, our population - dependent on only its very low natural growth -

I agree to a certain extent. but Australia has to be wary of the quality of individuals who are allowed to migrate. The only people that should be able to immigrate are those that are able to assimilate into Australian Culture, as it is, & not try to force Australia to change our Culture because they don't like it & it doesn't fit in with their Religion.

People of "Other Religions" have come to Australia & assimilated. Some people of certain Religions have refused to assimilate. These should be sent away, Post Haste.

Mr. O: I reckon it has already been arranged for them to complete the migration papers when they get to Sri Lanka in order to have them back in Biloela within six weeks

I tend to agree & the PM did hint as such.

Dear ttbn,

Foxy is highly intelligent, highly educated, and very articulate.

Would it surprise anyone to know that Australia in the absence of science and technology can only sustain a population of about 8 millions?

ttbn,

Frustration Reduction kit:

BANG

HEAD

HERE.

Notorious Left-activist judge, Mordecai Bromberg (Andrew Bolt's persecutor) has delayed the deportation of the Sri Lankan non-refugee illegals until Friday. Some fiddle faddle about one of the children not being offered a visa, "despite the remainder of her family being refused refugee status"! How crazy is that! Why would you offer a visa to a non-citizen who is the child of non-refugees?

They have really lost the plot now. If that doesn't show how bereft of reason for staying here they are, nothing will. This is just putting more of our money into lawyers' pockets.

They are still yammering that Dutton 'has the power' to grant them asylum. They must off the planet seeing he has already exercised his power to order them out of the country

universities' budgets would be crippled without the income (pretty unequal as it is) from overseas students.
Loudmouth,
Crippled ? Not by a long shot, merely more appropriate in comparison to achievement.

What I don't understand is - why did these people
come by boat in the first place. If they could afford
to pay for their boat passage - why not buy a plane
ticket? Also where did Nades get the money from to
travel to Sri Lanka 3 times. Who paid for the house
they were living in Biloela? Who paid for their lawyer's
fees?

Why weren't they deported when their visas expired in
2018 - why were they transferred to a Melbourne
Detention Centre?

So many questions. How well off are their families in
Sri Lanka? Do they plan to bring them out here as well?

“Foxy is highly intelligent, highly educated, and very articulate”, pipes up little Master Opinion.

Thick as a brick would be more accurate for someone who is described as a frustrated woman who the turns around and offers advice to others on how to cure frustration Perhaps she has tried the head banging she prescribes for others, with the the obvious, tragic results.

Dear Ttbn,

«Notorious Left-activist judge, Mordecai Bromberg (Andrew Bolt's persecutor) has...»

Perhaps the uncomfortable word that you tried to avoid was "Jewish"?

(with fellow conspirators: http://www.jwire.com.au/federal-judge-lunches-at-chabad/, more incriminating photographic evidence here: http://www.shturem.net/index.php?section=news&id=51576, and a nasty cover-story here: http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/M/Mordecai_Bromberg.html)

«Why would you offer a visa to a non-citizen who is the child of non-refugees?»

Well rightly or wrongly, Australia is not in the habit of offering visas to its citizens.
There are 100,000's of non-citizens currently in Australia with a visa who are children of non-refugees!

(many of which are Chinese, Muslims and/or unemployed)

In fact, Justice Blomberg himself arrived in Australia as a boy and the child of non-refugees - This whole business stinks of compassion!

---

Dear Foxy,

Is it a crime to have money?
Should being poor be a requirement for getting into Australia?
Why can't people come by boat if they get air-sick, have fear of heights or simply love sailing?
Perhaps their lawyer was an unpaid volunteer, as part of Bromberg's Jewish conspiracy (see the first link above)?
Perhaps the explanation for all that money is that the family was hired by some secretive billionaire in Sri Lanka to learn about the conditions in Australia and check whether Biloela could be a good place for them to come and live?

Yutsie: Why can't people come by boat if they get air-sick, have fear of heights or simply love sailing?

If they get air-sick, believe me they'd get sea-sick if the travel by leaky boat. Ha, ha.

Dear Jayb,

They could arrive on a big ship, perhaps a tanker or a cruise-ship. It was Foxy who insisted that good people must come particularly by air.

Where are the passenger ships today anyway? I used them in my early days - the advantage, especially when you migrate, is that you can take with you any amount of belongings, we even had our car with us onboard. Nades and Priya were given only 10 minutes to pack.

Is it a crime to have money?
Yuyutsu,
No, if you earned or won it. Yes, if you didn't !

SR,

Are you going to tell me that there were never any corrupt government employed inspectors? You just have to look at the extensive corruption in labor councils to see that your argument is bollocks.

Similarly, an incompetently conceived government subsidy system is guaranteed to get ripped off notably these schemes such as the education subsidy, NDIS, pink batts etc all have the hallmark of labor incompetence.

the hallmark of labor incompetence
Shadow minister,
To be fair to Labor, the Coalition too has plenty of gits too but Labor is way ahead regarding incompetence. Why else would they describe regress as 'Progressive' ?

ttbn,

You're the one who keeps bringing up
things like "frustration," "thick as
a brick," " superiority", "arrogance"
and the list goes on.

It seems to me
that you're suffering from some sort
of insecurity if you feel compelled
to consistently attack people you don't
know on this forum - be it myself or
Mr Opinion, and others.

And when responses are done tongue-in-cheek,
you take them seriously once again demonstrating
your huge insecurity.

Mr Opinion is right about you. You are a disturbed
man.

You need to focus more on the positive rather
than the negative for your own mental well being.
Talk instead to those here on the forum who
agree with you. It might help your own ego just
a tad - then you won't have to look for faults
in other people. You too can be fabulous. Give it
a go.

And you don't have to bang your head - unless you
want to. (smile).

Dear Shadow Minister,

You asked;

“Are you going to tell me that there were never any corrupt government employed inspectors?”

Of course not, but they sure as hell weren't beholden to a client who just shops around for the most compliant inspector they can buy. This is the type of corruption implicit in the capitalist system but we just call it competition and move on.

If you are going to make the case that our modern buildings are built to more rigorous standards appropriate for the period than today then good luck.

On Four Corners there was a Chinese investor who had purchased an apartment in the ill fated tower who said to camera this kind of shoddiness and lax regulation was what she had tried to escape in China.

The Pink Batt effort was undermined purely because it was hived out to the private sector. If this had been done through proper government procurement and works department lives would have undoubtedly been save and standards maintained.

You seem to be advocating the privatisation of everything. Where o you draw the line? Our police forces, are they fair game too?

SR,

What bollocks, the shopping around for inspectors also happened with publicly employed inspectors. This corruption is even more rampant in socialist systems as experienced by the Chinese investor.

That the NSW inspector was reported several times and the council (labor) failed to revoke his license was the problem.

As far as privatisation, there is a branch of economics which defines very clearly the rationale behind whether something should be public or private concern. There is a strong argument for government provided health and education, and very strong arguments for privatising airlines, media etc. Rather than trading snide comments I would recommend you read up on the subject before posting further dumb comments

This might give you an inkling

Steelie: This is the type of corruption implicit in the capitalist system but we just call it competition and move on.

Yes the type Corruption that Lefty's pray for so they can take advantage of the System. Ay.

Steelie: The Pink Batt effort was undermined purely because it was hived out to the private sector.

Under a Labor Government. Although, the same thing is happening with Home Solar. It's endemic to both Types of Governments.

SM: There is a strong argument for government provided health and education.

Add to that; The Power Grid, Rail, Roads & a couple of others.

Dear Shadow Minister,

Oh what rot. Tell me how did one go about shopping around for a building inspector before privatisation when most of them were council assigned?

That is the very definition of a dumb comment.

This is what is happening on the ground;

"Builders Collective of Australia national president Phil Dwyer said that in a lot of instances there was a "cosy" relationship between developers and private building surveyors.

"It is a relationship that in some instances overlooks what should take place, on the basis of 'she'll be right'," he said.

A recent Victorian Auditor-General's report warned that private building surveyors may be unwilling to challenge substandard or illegal construction because they were reliant on the builder for ongoing business.

It found building surveyors were more than seven times more likely to have their registrations cancelled than any other class of building practitioner.

And it said 10 per cent of the state's registered building surveyors were found guilty of an offence by the Building Practitioners Board in the five years to December 2013. Of the 58 hauled before the board, 16 appeared more than once."

http://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/victorian-building-surveyors-guilty-over-more-than-700-misconduct-claims-20150731-giofcr.html

How on earth can you deem this system to be working?

I hear the quality of trade construction has gone down the toilet dramatically over the last 30 years. People tell me that there's no way some of these high-rises of today will last 50 years. 30 years ago there would only be a few parts of a construction which were not up to scratch and received an X for rectification. Now the buildings are covered in X's. They don't even waterproof the top of buildings properly because they are in that much of a rush to get them finidhed they wont wait 2 days for it to seal for the warranty. People tell me theres lots of money in rectification work.

SR,

Are you really that naive? If you know how to play the game, the inspectors you can get stuff waved through with no problems. I was on a site where an inspector of a public institution was phoned and volunteered for an "urgent" inspection on an Easter weekend. He came in and after a cursory inspection of an hour, signed off the plant and got paid for one day at triple time, and this is where a plant already complied with all the regs.

That there are problems with the system there is no doubt, but the public system was even worse, with delays in approvals taking about 2yrs and costing investors and the economy $bns.

Steelie: "Builders Collective of Australia national president Phil Dwyer said that in a lot of instances there was a "cosy" relationship between developers and private building surveyors.

Oh Yeah, You are dead right Steelie. Either pass it or don't come back. We can all see the results of that now, in Sydney, can't we.

By the way what's this got to do with the Biloela thing. We're off track.... again. Are we waiting for the ruling today?

Dear Jayb.,

I think they've got until 4pm today.

We should know more by the 6.00pm News -
one way or the other.

Dear Jayb.,

Justice Mordy Bromberg today ruled that a hearing
be scheduled for September 18 and the injunction
preventing the youngest daughter's removal be
extended until 4pm that day.

Apparently the judge wants more evidence to be
presented.

Another reprieve of 12 days handed down by a judge seemingly determined to upend the decisions of a democratically elected government who has made it clear that nobody arriving by boat will settle in Australia. These people have been shown not to be refugees on seven occasions. Sentiment against genuine refugees will rise thanks to these frauds. The judge is a lunatic

Well Done Sir.
Keep our boarders safe.
You have made the right decision removing the Tamil family. As a suggestion, provide media with rough estimate as to what this family has cost the Australian tax payer, from medical costs for birthing their children, housing to legal costs to removing them from Australia. It must now be well over a million dollars. Multiply this cost by 10's of thousands of dollars for the asylum seekers waiting on the outcome of this Tamil family.
BZ

Much as I don't agree with the Judge's decision.
He has to stick to the rule of law as far as a
child's rights are concerned. Hence the delay
granted - silly as it may seem to the rest of us.

cont'd ...

I hate to think how much this family has already cost
Australia. And they aren't even citizens or refugees.
Who's been paying all their bills thus far?
Let's take an intelligent guess.

Foxy: Apparently the judge wants more evidence to be presented.

Well, You, I, or any person, except the Law Fraternity, could do that in one hour flat. What is their problem? I guess they're getting paid by the 15 minute increment, so string it out as long as possible.

Foxy: He has to stick to the rule of law as far as a child's rights are concerned.

The Rule of Law says that a child of a person born in Australia of people who are not Australian Citizens take the Citizenship of the parents. Therefore the child is a Sri Lankin. Scrimple Scherlocks. Ay.

Foxy: Who's been paying all their bills thus far?

All those Lefty/Socialist/Marxist/PC & Greenies I hope. Not the Australian people because I would like to object to that.

You want to talk about peeing money down the drain ;
I know of at least 4 kids who the government has put up in their own motel rooms with social workers paid to watch over them 24hours a day.
And these kids have been living in this one particular motel under this arrangement for months, apparently child services doesn't have any placements for where to put them.

How many more kids across the country are in this situation?

But it gets worse;
Liberals push to look out for the new immigrants;
Has given several 'black as the ace of spades' South Africans who've been in the country less than 12 months employment as social workers who have the task of looking after the kids.

They speak down to these kids.
"You wouldn't do this in our country, do you know what would happen in our country".

Mixed thoughts on the issue, but this is Australia today.

Do you all know what 'Cloward and Piven' is?
(Or to be more precises who they were, but what they're known for)
It's an economic race to the bottom for the purposes of imposing socialism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward-Piven_strategy

They can't afford to build proper facilities, because the money is wasted via mismanagement and incompetence pushing progressive narratives and actions.

Apparently most of the actual women involved in this area don't even have kids.
The department of Children Services is nasty-barren-spinster-land.
Once again run by women via emotion, not logic.

All this is doing my head in.

How come these people were allowed to stay for as long
as they have? Why do we send those who arrive by plane
back the next day if they don't meet their visa
requirements? This case has dragged on for far too long
and the laws need to be reformed. Would these people be
getting all this publicity if they didn't have a rural
community behind them?

Foxy,

The reason that these bludgers have been so long in the country is precisely because left whinge activists have dragged their claims through the courts for so long.

SM:The reason that these bludgers have been so long in the country is precisely because left whinge activists have dragged their claims through the courts for so long.

Dead right. Lawyers are making a mint.

But who's paying the lawyers bills?
Is it the taxpayer or private entities
or are the lawyers doing it - pro bono?

Courts after all do cost money.

Foxy,

The taxpayer pays for all of this. There are 6000 illegal immigrants that have had their asylum claims rejected.

The main point of offshore detention is so that these country shoppers would not have access to the court system and activist lawyers. But then the greens and labor is bringing them back on shore.

Dear Shadow Minister,

Thanks for that.

[Deleted for abuse of various racial groups.]

[Deleted. Same reason as above.]

It looks like this discussion has now run its course.
I'd like to Thank all the contributors and I look
forward to our next discussion.

Enjoy your evening.

The Tamil family has been given a further 1 day
reprieve - until 4pm Thursday (tomorrow)
until the Court reviews their case.

I wait with trepidation. They can be sent back to Sri Lanka then they can apply to immigrate. Dutton has said that they will be given special consideration. They must follow the proper procedure.

It now appears that the Tamil family will remain
in Australia until a full court hearing is held
to consider the case of their 2 year old daughter.

The family will remain in limbo on Christmas Island
for the foreseeable future with their deportation
case now hanging on an upcoming court battle.

Federal Court Judge Mordy Bromberg announced the family
had a legal case that needed to be decided at trial.

A date has not yet been set for their case to be heard.

Unbelievable!