Hasbeen I have refrained from insulting some who in honest truth deserve it here
Not including you we clash but in the end you have no intention of ever looking with unbiased eyes at my side
I think YOU should post complaints about YOUR side
But know you never will
And in not doing that you abandon any hope of improvement
YES my party needs constant reform and improvement, and yes it gets in to bed with industry, as good government must
See we are an economy as well as a country, we must never forget that
Liberalism ONCE had policy's to help the under privileged not now
A day will come, as it must a Labor reformist government will remake health schooling, welfare, tax reform, can you say that[and know it is true] of your increasingly uncaring party?
I opened Labors wounds here in this thread, as a demand nothing be held back that the rubbish bin is emptied and given a good scrub out after, in the service of better government and politics

Dear Belly,

I'm back.

I haven't been able to follow much of the news lately.

However I was able to watch the funeral service of
Tim Fischer in Albury. It was very moving.
Some of the eulogies really resonated with me.

Especially when one of the speakers remembered
days gone by when politicians were of a different
calibre. Not so much concerned with mantras and
slogans and "selling"the party line but genuinely
interested in doing a good job for their constituents.
When Question Time in Parliament was more about
getting genuine answers and learning rather than
tearing each other down - and repetitive output.

I'm sure that Labor will learn from this latest
debacle and will put reforms in place.
Hopefully, the Coalition will take heed as well.
Vested interests and donations need to be examined
by all parties.

Belly your party most definitely does not need to reform, what it needs is to return. Any reform with its present management will be to move further towards it's elite, & further away from the people it claims to support.

If it returned to what it was in my youth, the 50s, it just might be of some use. While it is full of & controlled by university trained smarties like Shorten it is only a hindrance to the average Australian. It is now the party of academia, bureaucrats, union leaders, & the welfare bludgers, with the little bloke tax payer who pays for the lot of them shoved out in the cold.

We used to put blinkers on cart horses, so they could only see to the front. It stopped them being frightened of things they couldn't see. Mate the blinkers your Labor leaders have on you lot leave those horse things for dead at hiding things you should see.

Hasbeen,
You've really said it all. Nothing more can be added to explain the state of the Labor Party.

Foxy great to see you back hope all is well with you
You and a few will know my hope is this dreadful event will force changes
I know it will, but too some of those changes will confront my friends
Hasbeen will continue to throw rocks at my party, but not his own
That presumes his has nothing to hide
Quite wrong
Only open debate, on such as this, can bring the much needed improvements I demand
It, remember was 3 years ago, too we removed the man who took that bag,and the present holder of that position, needed airing
What was the donor wanting? free run at developments or worse Chinese interests in our governments?

Hasbeen will continue to throw rocks at my party, but not his own
That presumes his has nothing to hide
Belly,
You really need to do something about your bitter twisting of words. Hasbeen's not throwing rocks at your party even though they richly deserve it. As it appears to me he's trying to do the same as I & others are trying to do, to wake you up & see the errors of your blind loyalty.
None of us Conservatives has ever claimed the LNP to be flawless, far from it. They're simply not as incompetent & hypocritical as the ALP, that's all. As the old saying goes & even some Pacific Islander former leaders use the term "the lesser of two evils".
You're so eaten up over the slightest criticism of Labor that it's affecting your moral judgement. Ease off for crying out loud. Take a good look at the useless mutts you're giving so much of your support. You need to realise that it is wasted on them ! Over & out !