Joe,

It was Lange that Ryan took the carbine off, it was never proved that another warder shot the victim, although one claimed that he had fired a shot that might have hit the other warder.

Is Mise,

I don't know where you got the impression that I
thought the claimant's dead friend's family were
liars. I did not saying or imply anything of the sort.
I stated that I felt for their trauma and anguish, not only
for the claimant, the family of his dead friend, and the
entire community of people who have survived industrial-scale
abuse by Catholic clergy in this country. That this cannot be
underestimated.

I did point out that Pell was a man supported by two
former PMs who didn't spend a minute in court, didn't
hear or read a word of the evidence and yet
nonetheless by implication branded the young man a liar.

However this had nothing to do with the family of his
dead friend. It appears you got things mixed up.

Joe,

We don't know the full extent of the evidence that
was presented in court against Pell.
Only bits and pieces have been released. And the fact
that Pell was found guilty unanimously by a jury,
and the judges upheld this verdict - is enough for me.

Foxy,
You said yesterday, page 24 "We do not know the entirety of the evidence that was presented both to the jury or the judges. It has
not been fully disclosed". That is patently wrong as Big Nana pointed out to you early on this thread.

I, and many others, waited for the media suppression to be lifted, expecting some news of further evidence that would prove Pell's guilt and there was none. The prosecution only had the accusations of the complainant.

Seeing this was the case I formed the view that the accused was being treated unfairly and that no person should be convicted on accusations alone. I still hold that view.

I am still to find out if other states changed laws, along with Victoria, to enable this miscarriage of justice.

Hi, there IS MISE & LOUDMOUTH...

Correct my friends. That's why I've always been implacably against the death penalty. There's much evidence around the Western World suggesting the State has (occasionally) executed an innocent man. I'm sorry for digressing from the topic at hand.

I can't wait until the movie comes out. They managed to turn the Chamberlains' story into a movie so just image what they will be able to do with George Pell. They would have to present it as a conspiracy theory, probably starring Mel Gibson as Pell and Tony Abbott as the Pope. Who would they get to play Mark Weinberg? probably Donald Trump: 'It's fake news I tell you; he wasn't even dressed for the occasion!'