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Cardinal Pell's Appeal Fails.

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Dear Is Mise,

The justice system is a joke! The Courts are an expression of State-society relationships, not about what is right and wrong.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Friday, 23 August 2019 5:23:48 PM
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A 'Guest Author' in Catallaxy Files of 22/8/19 concurs with my belief that we all need to be in fear of the courts after their dastardly treatment of George Pell.

In a piece entitled "No country for old Catholics", the author refers to a "DPP who kept indulging preposterous briefs of “evidence,” a Pell-hating police force now regarded as the most corrupt in the country… ". He also lambasts the 'Cardinal hating ABC', but that's a given. He also says that any Victorian accused by a single person of an "unverifiable crime" (as Pell was) is now in jeopardy. He also claims that the future of the Commonwealth depends on a correction of the Pell case by the High Court.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 23 August 2019 5:31:02 PM
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Dear ttbn,

How does the Pell incident fit in with your creation science perspective?
Posted by Mr Opinion, Friday, 23 August 2019 5:49:29 PM
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I don't quite understand people criticising our
legal system in the Pell case.

The criminal process has afforded Pell every
opportunity to challenge the charges and every
opportunity to be heard. Pell has had the best
legal representation that money can buy. And
its not over yet - he can lodge an appeal to
the High Court.

Yet on the other side of the coin - we can never
underestimate the courage and resilience it takes
for a survivor of child abuse to seek justice.

One of the cold hard truths revealed by former PM
Gillard's royal commission into institutional
responses to child sexual abuse was that survivors and
victims who sought help were seldom believed.

Instead against the weight and power of both church and
state they were marginalised, shamed, and re-abused.
For decades institutions chose to cover for offenders and
covered their crimes because they valued their reputations
more than the lives of children in their care.

As a parliament and a nation we apologised for the abuse,
the neglect, the wilful blindness, the cries for help
that were heard and ignored.

But saying sorry wasn't the end of the road. The test is
action not words.

We need faster progress on national re-dress for survivors
and why every institution needs to sign up immediately.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 23 August 2019 6:31:37 PM
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Dear Foxy,

I concur with what you are saying but we need to face the realities of State-society relations. People like Pell belong to the elite who protect their own kind and unfortunately a lot of people in the community hold them in esteem whether they do right or wrong.

I think the High Court will acquit Pell simply because it is in the interests of their own class and cultural values.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Friday, 23 August 2019 6:39:13 PM
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Foxy,
Obviously what you do not understand is that a few years ago the goal posts were altered, taking away protection for those accused without substantive evidence to back up the accusations.

Until then, where it was only ones word against another a judge had to dismiss the case or ruled a not guilty verdict.

Now ,Victoria at least, has introduces a system where a conviction can be made on accusations alone without supporting evidence. The Pell case is the first case, to my knowledge, where this new system has been used and it is deemed unfair for the accused.

You now live in a state where a citizen can be convicted of a crime merely on allegations alone without other evidence. This is similar to communist Russia or the Pol Pot regime in Cambodia.
Posted by HenryL, Friday, 23 August 2019 7:52:36 PM
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