Belly,

I think there are good and not so good people in all sides of politics.
F.y.i.
Please not what Mr Opinion is coming up with on the following thread. It seems to involve reason why things are not getting done as they should be, likely reason why the world is going backwards and not moving forward as it should be.

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=8866&page=6

JF Aus I have never doubted the trouble with politicians is they are politicians
All sides,but if we look at [hate them or not] Menzies Whitlam, Hawke Keating Howard Rudd, they all held us in their hands
However my side is finding new ways to bring office managers and assistants to sitting members into the fold
Once you could still see the dirt under the fingernails of a few hard workers
Too once the Nationals, as the then country party bragged those on my side had never milked a cow
Now they know more about mining and investing in water than a cow
We are in a period that may never end, that sees mud fear lies and threats used to win voters who in the end seem not to care enough to understand politics is the only way they can have a say

Belly,

no you missed the key elements to my point, and that it would not take a hundred years.
It would only take from eighteen years, as the children come of voting age.
Because that is the insidious plan, by copulating and thereby populating the race slowly grows to a point where they are enough of age and enough in numbers to effect the outcomes of votes or referendums and laws.
Don't forget, Aussies are complacent, lazy and laissez faire, so when it comes to voting on anything, they can't be bothered unless forced to by law.
That's how local govt elections are won, just like the SSM survey, the NO voters couldn't be bothered because it was a sh!t topic and was not taken seriously, and so the result made it appear that the YES backers had won when in fact the NO's had a clear majority.
WHY?
Because only 70% bothered to get off their arse to respond to the survey.
Out of the 70%, 40% were YES, but that ignores the fact that the remaining 30% were of the don't care and NO camp.
So Belly, we only need a well organised group to step up at any election or survey and a minority can easily take control.
Once they are voted in it's too late, we can only bitch and belly ache(pun intended) about what we could'a, should'a, would'a, done.
Belly if we are not more pro-active and show a bit more national interest, we are doomed to whatever others decide, leaving our future and well being in the hands of others.
If you want to know what a life under Chinese rule would look like, just look at Hong Kong right now, and the same goes if your wondering what life under a Islamic rule would be like, just look at Turkey, or even the middle East.
You know, maybe what Aussies need is a reality check, maybe a dose of communism or Islamism might be a good thing, to wake everyone up to fact that they've had it so good for so long.

An interesting story in this days press, it pointed out migration is the driving force in growth in this country
Too the birth rates or not, most of the increase in our population is driven by migration
I personally think growth is a time bomb
That forever growth will become an enemy, too that overpopulation is here right now, more so in some parts than others
We beg for constant growth constant profits but in the end it cannot go on forever
Just maybe we, soon, will understand population is behind many of our troubles or soon will be

certainly be no need to immigrate nearly as many if we stopped murdering around 100000 unborn babies each year.

ALTRAV,

For your information - of the eligible Australians
who expressed a view on same sex marriage the
majority indicated that the law should be changed
to allow a same sex couple to marry with 61.6%
responding Yes and 38.4% responding No.

This translates to nearly 8 out of 10 eligible
Australians (79.5^) having expressed their view.

The Australian Bureau of Statistics tells us that
all states and territories recorded a majority yes
response. 133 of the 150 Federal Electoral Divisions
recorded a majority yes response and only 17 of the
150 Federal Electoral Divisions recorded a majority
No response.

Further information on responses and participation within
each state and territory is available through the menu
at:

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/1800.0