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Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 21 July 2019 8:37:54 PM
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Dear Is Mise,
Sorry, I cannot help you: you are beyond help. Australian citizenship isn't worth the paper it is written on. Australia has a Chinese future and if you think I'm wrong about that then take a trip to Sydney and have a look for yourself. Posted by Mr Opinion, Sunday, 21 July 2019 10:10:33 PM
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Is Mise,
The following link may clarify things for you: http://www.reconciliation.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Recognising-Aboriginal-and-Torres-Strait-Islander-people-in-the-Australian-Constitution.pdf Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 21 July 2019 10:40:08 PM
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"As I record in The Break-up of Australia, this is a political outcome advocated not just by the far Left but by self-declared conservative activists such as Noel Pearson and Warren Mundine. They want self-government and an independent legal system for each self-identifying Aboriginal clan." (Keith Windschuttle)
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 22 July 2019 9:55:21 AM
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Keith Windschuttle imagines conspiracy where there
is none. He contend the "Aboriginal political class" seeks constitutional recognition because it will ultimately lead to their sovereignty. Windschuttle means "sovereignty" in the separatist sense, and he claims this is their secret agenda. There is no secret separatist sovereignty agenda. This is Windschuttle's attempt to whip up irrational fear. There is a public separatist agenda, but those advocates are in the minority and they don't support constitutional recognition. Most Indigenous activists who desire separate state sovereignty tend not to support constitutional recognition because of its inclusive nature. To genuine separatists, constitutional recognition is problematically integrationist. That's why seven dissenting sovereignty campaigners walked out of Uluru. The convention was heading in too pragmatic and inclusive a direction for their separatist aims. This nuance is lost on Windschuttle, however, who tries to assert that formal Indigenous inclusion in Australia's Constitution somehow equals Indigenous exclusion and separatism. But the leap from constitutional inclusion to constitutional separatism, and separate Indigenous sovereignty, is unpersuasive. Windschuttle is also unclear about what "sovereignty" entails. Equally imp;ausible is the idea that separate Indigenous sovereignty might be established through a legal loophole or unintended consequences arising out of an amendment to the Constitution (an amendment that will need to be approved by a double majority of Australian voters, not to mention the majority of politicians and their legal experts). The suggestion that the sovereignty of the Commonwealth of Australia could be impinged upon or divided by anything less than military force is fanciful. Constitutional conservatives support the proposal for a First Nations voice precisely because it respects parliamentary and Crown sovereignty and upholds the Constitution. Windschuttle's objections are totally out of touch. Posted by Foxy, Monday, 22 July 2019 11:51:20 AM
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In an article not directly related to the Voice nonsense, aboriginal 'backgounded' man, Anthony Dillon, points out that aboriginal-heritage people "have levels of violence, child abuse, and foetal alcohol syndrome far above average", but the "professional blacktivists", squealing about racism and the Voice, are not interested in talking about that in their push for self-determination. Probably because what they want would make no difference to those real problems. They don't want to talk about the fact that aboriginals are hurting other aboriginals at "alarming" rates, either. No. It's all ranting about racism, history, and white Australia as the cause of these problems. Colonisation and the government are blamed for every problem facing aborigines.
Apartheid and special parliamentary conditions would not have any effect on the very real problems this particular minority is suffering. Posted by ttbn, Monday, 22 July 2019 12:36:47 PM
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Our Indigenous people are recognized in the Constitution, they are recognized as Citizens of Australia, just like the rest of us; Australians without any special creed, or colour or politics.