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The Quality Of Tolerance Is Strained

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Blogger, Arthur Chrenkoff says that he hasn't written anything about Israel Folau because he cannot add anything that hasn't already been said, and he only mentions him at this late juncture, 2nd July, to point out that he, Folau and his case, is not all that unusual, despite the furore that has been going on for weeks.

It appears that a similar thing happened in Poland (Arthur hailed from Poland originally) when IKEA sacked an employee because he refused to take part in a compulsory LGBT promotion at work.

The employer cited his religious faith and the appropriate Bible texts for his refusal to take part. The man's colleagues respected his decision, but not IKEA, who fired him for his faith and beliefs.

IKEA 'assured' everyone that the "that the foundations of our corporate culture are freedom of viewpoints, tolerance and respect for every person".

Except for Thomas's (the fired employee's name) " viewpoints - no tolerance or respect for him. He might affect the 'dignity' of other employees. It doesn't matter about him. A wonderful example of some people's rights overriding other people's rights. Or worse, the other person's religious beliefs being trampled on. Just like the Folau discrimination by an employer.

As Chenkoff observes, even in ultra-Catholic Poland "quoting  the wrong Bible verses can lose you your job". In bordering-on-atheist Australia, Israel Folau never stood a chance. Had both these men, and many others with the same beliefs, been Muslims, would they have been sacked in Australia or Poland? Somehow, I don't think they would. There faith and beliefs would be 'respected'.

And, it's not even government persecuting Christians, it is big business that has taken on the job, as they become "colonised by the products of our increasingly woke education systems, media and culture."
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 10:01:35 AM
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Rugby Australia maintains that Israel Folau was dismissed not
because of his religious beliefs, but because he breached the
player code of conduct.

Raelene Castle, The Chair of Rugby Australia explained
numerous times in TV interviews and in the media -
Rugby's code is typical of that of many businesses.
It requires players to treat everyone equally and
with dignity, regardless of the their sexual orientation:
not to use social media to breach expected standards of behaviour:
and not to make public comments or otherwise clearly act
contrary to the best interests of the game.

Clearly Folau's actions breached the player code of conduct.

Folau had several warnings, including a written letter
about his behaviour. Yet he still ignored them all.

Case Law tells us that Section 351 of the Fair Works Act
requires the employee to prove an employer was motivated
to discriminate against him because of religion.

If an employer can p[oint to an employee's breach of their
employment obligations as the reason for the dismissal
instead of a discriminatory motive then the employee's
claim fails.

A Tribunal found that Israel Folau had breached his employment
code of conduct. We shall have to wait and see if the
Courts will agree with the Tribunal's decision.

The Folau case is not about freedom of speech, or freedom of
religion. It's about contractual obligations and the law.
If we don't like the law as it currently stands regarding
employment obligations perhaps we need to look at a review
and having the law changed?
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 12:11:18 PM
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Israel Folau was dismissed not
because of his religious beliefs, but because he breached the
player code of conduct.
Yes, when RA is allowed to write a code of conduct that leaves no room for the players beliefs then of course he is in breach. RA too are in breach of code of conduct for morals by such inflexibility !
I think the best way would be for Gays to just quietly go about their business instead of throwing it into our faces at every turn. Normal people would then not comment about them !
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 12:26:49 PM
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Hey ttbn,

"And, it's not even government persecuting Christians, it is big business that has taken on the job, as they become 'colonised by the products of our increasingly woke education systems, media and culture'."

Alright, Occums Razor.
What are your thoughts on the most likely answer here?

Is 'Big Business' doing this by accident?
Or are they following a plan?
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 8:14:00 PM
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Or are they following a plan?
Armchair Critic,
I imagine that there is a plan to exploit full stop ! Be it greed, superstition or whatever other stupidity ! The recent/present western stupidity is dumbing-down education.
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 10:44:43 PM
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AC,

Has to be a plan, I think. It's now so widespread that it can't be coincidence, and as Arthur said, the products of Leftist education and brainwashing are now infiltrating business. A bit reminiscent of Cambridge and and Philby? Maybe?
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 10:53:58 PM
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