Dear Belly,

«you both tell me minority parties,stopping elected government from governing is democracy»

In a democracy, people do not elect governments - people elect REPRESENTATIVES to the legislative body which subsequently determines so many things about their own lives.

It so happens that ONE of the things the legislative body does is to form a government - it doesn't even have to be so, and even so it is not even necessary that government, the executive body which runs the day-to-day affairs of the state, be a political body, but well, perhaps this is what people want, perhaps not, we cannot tell until and unless there is democracy with true representation, unlike the farce Australia, like China, is in.

Ideally it is the citizens themselves who should vote on policies, including taxes, Adani, border-control and much more, but alas, this was technically impossible for centuries, thus we have - or are supposed to have, representatives instead. With the advance of technology however, it became technologically possible for the first time in history to have a true and direct democracy.

Political parties ought to be a thing of the past when people vote directly on the policies that affect their future. Meanwhile, we at least deserve to have a truly representative democracy, as close as possible to one-man/woman-one-vote, but alas, the British/Australian electoral system makes a joke of that. The Senate, though invented for other purposes (i.e. to represent the states) is to some degree closer to democracy, thus it ought to remain at least until such time that we have a truly representative democracy.

yuyutsu let us look at things that are achievable, your view would be great, if we could implement it
You would be aware of how many post ww2 election have taken place in Italy
Believe me if the senate turns out to be obstructionist for the sake of it our next election is no more than 12 months away
And for both houses
IF we give in to rabble rousing we could have two such elections, near same results in the three year term

Dear Belly,

The Senate need not be obstructionist per se, rather, its members who are supposed to represent the public are saying: "my electors believe that this law is good" or "my electors believe that this law is bad". Arithmetic does the rest. Would you like to see laws enacted which most electors believe are bad?

Wouldn't it be better still if electors could vote themselves rather than through representatives? In Switzerland, voters who collect 50,000 signatures can bring about a referendum to overturn new laws. You dread having elections every year, but they instead have referenda about 4 times a year: does it hurt, does the sky fall when ordinary people, flesh and blood, moms and dads can freely express their wishes?

Yes, Italy is significantly more democratic than Australia and yes, there is a small price to pay in [possibly] having more frequent elections: is this price too high, or is democracy just not that important?

Had government been truly servants of the people and acted in accordance with the guidance of the people and/or their representatives, then there would be no need to change governments no matter how many elections occur. Government could then perform its duties continuously and come new elections and/or referenda, all that is needed is a change of policy in the indicated area(s).

yuyutsu we must live with what we have, not what we want
You are a bright person so think with me here, is my view we need senate reform or removal not , like your view, looking for something better
As the senate was formed to be the states house why has it failed
Must be honest here, it matters, think the tax cuts for high income earners is the wrong thing right now
But too think they have a mandate let them pass
Yes aware it may bite them if a GFC arrives[even think it will] but voters are sick of point scoring fights and the chook pen is at the base of them

Belly,

"...we must live with what we have, not what we want."

Then take your own advice and accept that we have a Senate.

ise miserable see?'
You can not contribute with any true thought
My words are, if you read the whole post, both a warning we do not have the power to do as yuyutsu wants
Then at the end, a defense of my view by reminding yuyutsu my thoughts are in the end, like his, a call for better
Now you, why do you white ant other contributors
Is it part of your personality
IF so it is failure you must, in the end know you make yourself look silly