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I said there are two parts of looking at the brokenness of the world. The first is looking at the world and it's dynamics. The second is by looking at the individuals. Basically by looking at the dynamics of the world you can see the struggle to fight against being corrupted by the environment you are in. By looking at the individuals and how we are all coming short on one quality or another to be the good people we're suppose to be creates a different dynamic of individuals making a situation worse. Allowing and accepting this part of ourselves and this part in others is what it means to be understanding, forgiving and merciful. But that said, everyone has at least a few things to work on in themselves if they are willing. Working on making yourself better has a positive influence on the enviornment you are in.

Now that I've explained it, the question now rests on you David. Before you say this is meaningless or that you don't understand what I mean by the world being broken (if that was going to be your response). I ask the question I stated earlier.

Why is this important to you? Why are we still arguing?

Dear NNS,

We are no longer arguing as I am weary of this exchange. I listed the things that are important to me several posts back. Porn is not something that bothers me. The attempt to censor bothers me, but I am satisfied with the present restrictions on porn. I don't want less or more.

Maybe we can discuss or argue about something else in the future.

We can agree that it is good to make ourselves better although we may disagree on how to do it.

I can try to be more caring and tolerant and also to keep mind and body active.

I would comment on one thing that you wrote. You wrote "it's dynamics"

It's is the abbreviation of it is. For the possessive 'its' should be used.

First of all man does not require porno. Porno is misuse of technology for making a living.Porno people make a lavish living at the cost of decency and morality of civil society.They never care a bit for the society. How porno can affect society can be discussed elaborately but here it is beyond the limits.
There is no restriction of porno at all. When it is available in public domain like the internet how can any one say there is restriction? In a civilised society porno should be made illegal.Let us not talk of restriction but of banning it for the sake of welfare of future citizens of the world.

To Ezhil.

When you talk about banning porn, are you only including real people in pictures and videos, or are you including other art and sculptures and such. The problem with trying to ban porn is that there is a lot of erotic stuff that is in art, and part of the classics throughout history. Even without going down the road of old historic pieces, defining what porn is and isn't to ban might be more of an issue then you realize.

I don't think porn is going to be banned so easily. The reasoning to ban it completely can lead to a part of culture that people don't want to toss. As well as lead to other to ban all things erotic in one way or another.

It's a bigger battle then I think you realize. It's why I think restricting porn is all that we can do.

I was born in 1925 in the US. Alcohol, gambling, porn, abortion and drugs were all banned. There were great crime empires supported by supplying of the demand for alcohol. Police were corrupted as they and politicians were paid off not to bother the hordes of speakeasies. People were suffering, going blind and dying from the substances in illegal alcohol.

As far as I am concerned if alcohol could be effectively banned I think it would be a good thing. Traffic deaths due to alcohol would disappear. There would be no addicts. However, we know from historical experience that banning alcohol doesn’t work. Alcohol is bad. It does more harm than it does good. I am almost a total abstainer. However, we know what harm banning alcohol does.

One can say the same thing about gambling, porn, abortion and drugs. One can make the case that they do more harm than they do good. However, I think the same thing applies to them. There is a greater harm banning them than there is having them legal.

There is a tendency to attack what one does not like and to ignore greater damage that can be done in another way. Some people who don’t like alcohol, gambling, porn, abortion and drugs ignore the greater damage can be done by banning them.

A few years ago I went to an atheist’s convention in Melbourne. There was a lot of gaiety and discussion but no gambling and very little drinking. I observed no porn or drugs. However, we were picketed by groups of Muslims and Christians. Muslims gamble and Christians drink, but they were more concerned with people who think differently from them. Nearby was that den of vice, the Crown Casino, where various unwholesome activities were going on with the sanctions of the government. I do not think gambling should be illegal, but I think it is immoral. I don’t think the government should be promoting it or making money from it. However, the Christians and Muslims chose to picket respectable, clean-living atheists rather than the den of vice.

Restriction of porn may be the immediate thing to do. But the long term goal should be to ban it.Let us not compare the past with the present as modern man is likely to be much more civilised. The past was the era of kings and rajahs. We know the quality of those ruling class of yester years. They were not men of character.They were mostly goondas except a few.The erotic culture promoted by them was probably not questioned as subjects were powerless and could not utter a word against it. Let us consider ourselves more civilized and also we live in an era much different from the distant past.Justification from the history is unwarranted and has no rationale.Without a legal ban the porn will certainly flourish uncontrolled.