Dear NNS,

You wrote: “I don't see a connection between banning or allowing porn, and whether a country holds civil liberties for the people living there.”

Porn is a form of expression. If you can ban porn you can ban other forms of expression. That means a decrease in civil liberties,

As you stated correctly correlation does not mean causation. You cited studies showing a correlation between viewing porn and the divorce rate of those who view porn. That does not mean that viewing porn was a cause of divorce. There could be some other cause for both viewing porn and the divorce rate. Viewing porn could be a symptom of marital discord rather than a cause of it.

You wrote that you didn’t want to ban porn. I don’t want to ban porn. If you would put no additional restrictions on porn than we have now, what are we arguing about?

Viewing porn cannot be considered a civil liberty. More over civil liberties cannot go against public decency and civilised behaviour.An individual watching another person's sexual activity for whatever reason cannot be called a civil liberty and a civilised behaviour.Statistics has limitations in its application for social behaviour.Psychologists must participate in this kind of topic. Let us have the ability to distinguish between what is normal and otherwise.Money mindedness makes a mess of everything.People who amass wealth by foul means will resort to all sorts of abnormal activities.

To David f.

It's not that I don't want to be rid of porn. It's that I don't think we can successfully snuff it out. As for why we're arguing. It's over 1) whether porn is bad or not, and 2) aparantly my reasoning to not ban porn was a reason you couldn't allow.

Maybe I offended you by saying the wold is broken and mankind is broken. That porn is harmful and there's nothing we can do to get rid of it any more then there's anything we can do to successfully get rid of poverty, or to successfully end deaths from drunk drivers. Thus the concept that the world is broken and we can't fix everything so choose your battles.

As for the argument that porn is a form of expression. I disagree with that completely. Porn is an industry. The closest industry porn can be considered part of is the entertainment industry. Except that. If the entertainment industry had the harms in it for either the performers, or the audience, then there would likely be some kind of social movement to change that industry or to get rid of it. Right now. People are still arguing whether. Porn is bad or not. Even if it is harmful or if people are complaining solely because they disagree with it (not because of harm).

Other industries (besides entertainment) that porn is part of is the human trafficking industry, and the drug industry. The relationships between those industries are connected to porn, just as much as illegal weapons and illegal drugs are industries connected to eachother.

Dear NNS,

Your statement that the world is broken and that mankind is broken implies that in some way the world and mankind are a failure in not reaching some ideal. At least that is how I interpret your remark.

Since I assume the world and mankind are what they are saying they are broken has no meaning to me. How are they broken?

To David f.

I think I gave enough examples in my past replies to explain the world's brokenness. I'll give a few more in this reply, but first a question for you. Why is this so important to you? As you said earlier, "why are we still arguing?"

The world being broken is two part in observations. The first is the world is broken by looking at the world itself. There is so much brokenness in it. Things that an not be resolved. You can help one person maybe even a dozen people to be better then the environment that is broken around them. But you can't fix the environment.

For instance look at politics and politicians. The system of getting things done usually involves lying, false promises, and smear campaigns against others just to get in the door and get voted into an office. The more powerful the office the more true this situation is. From there getting anything done goes through the process both working as a team in the opposing parties and working against the opposing teams. (One party is working together for their issues, while opposing the actions of another party). This isn't just about whether the political parties can agree or not on some issues, and work towards the same goal. But it's about gaining and retaining power from the opposing political parties. In that light there is a reason to drag the other parties decisions and their politicians through the mud when there is an opportunity. Because that mean more of the public will disagree with them and likely vote for you.

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This is ignoring the greed, corruption, selfishness, and general lack of caring for the people who voted a politician in office, that persist in the political world. All this is looking at is the dynamics of politics. If politicians go further then just an office in parliament or a congress and becomes the leader of a country, an added level political games and hazards forms by entering That part of world politics. I would say politics is part of the brokenness of the world because if a good man entered the political world, in order to be successful he has to become a corrupt politician.

The dynamics of cooperations changing leaderships, CEOs, and stock market (or even quarter reports) is another system that strains a person at the top from taking care of their company and employees properly instead of, cutting corners for a higher quarter and better stocks in their portfolio before they jump ship to be a CEO in a different or a larger company.

The dynamics of politics strains a person to being corrupt and back-stabbing to those they work with. The dynamics of business strains a person against following through and having loyalty to either the employees or the product. There are many others. The dynamics of the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer is another. Issues of fighting crime, fighting drugs, fight poverty, and standing against many other woes of the world have the reality that if you take in one criminal and either put them in prison or, have them turn over a new leaf, there are others that will replace them. Especially with lucrative and harmful prospects like drug making and selling. Porn fits into this area of dynamics. You can fight against it and make some progress (or just clean up a small part of it for a while) but it doesn't last. You can't fix the problem completely. (If porn is too close of a topic you favor, then consider child porn, and how hard it is to successfully get rid of it).

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