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Labors task ahead

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Re-edited post from above!

Bellys Rose smelling Labor.

Labor Party are a bunch of criminals unfit to govern: Followed closely by the LNP.

Plibersek didn't run for leader due to a little problem with her husbands credibility.
He did a three year stint in the slammer for drug smuggling.
So what's her "real story" one would wonder, (by implication)?

It didn't stop his helecopter ride to the top positions in the public service though.
More evidence of systemic corruption, Australian style.

Graham Richardson was also a drug smuggler, but that fact didn't quite make it to the surface!

Obviously the bunch of criminals support each other behind the scenes.

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Sunday, 26 May 2019 6:48:17 AM
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Hi Dan,

Don't be shy: why don't you tell us what you really think :)

The truth may be a defence in defamation cases, but please be careful: just say 'person A' and 'person B' unless you've just won X -Lotto.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Sunday, 26 May 2019 9:11:54 AM
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Posted by Belly, Sunday, 26 May 2019 6:33:46 AM

Comment1-
Some times CM a few words like that question only you, are you at all informed about today's politics?
This will hurt, but must be said, in the next three years not only Australia's Labor Party, but center and left parties around the world MUST address the rise of extreme right.
And [both sides have done it often] thieve some of their policy

Answer1-
As Clarke's Law says- "a sufficiently advanced technology will be seen as magic!".
If you are a white male of British heritage you don't need to be informed- if you have a brain- you live todays politics.
The "extreme left" Communists have hijacked democracy, the departments, the HR departments of companies, the educational institutions with the help of the "do gooders" that believe in so called "Social Justice". Now the community is under siege by the extreme left. The next step is for the extreme left to infiltrate the police, the army, and the courts- this is already underway. Then western civilization is dead. I suppose once a people is disarmed and disenfranchised- tyranny is the inevitable result. Hitler would be impressed at how effectively the extreme left have executed their policies- but they have been around for longer than Hitler so they have had more time to refine their strategies.
Sometimes as Belly has I believe correctly implied- it's necessary to hurt peoples feelings (and sometimes even their bodies or property) in order to get to the truth or the goal- this is reflected in the statement "Free Speech not Political Correctness".

Comment2-

I think the Malaysian solution was brilliant
Too that it or some thing like it, will be adopted all over the world
Further world overpopulation is here now

Answer2-

A solution is only good if it solves the problem.
In many cases one tries to find a solution before understanding the problem.
I guess Julia Gillard solved the problem that she understood- she didn't address the cause of the problem- population mismanagement
Posted by Canem Malum, Sunday, 26 May 2019 9:32:09 AM
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When you see the price of water and other utilities increasing- the price of land increasing- this is influenced by increasing population- demand pressure. There is often conflict between micro and macro economics- the people in "macro" jobs are less impacted by "micro" influences. I suspect the extreme left favours Ricardo's Comparitive Advantage of Nations - not because they support efficiency but because they support globalism/ Trotskyist Communism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Ricardo#Comparative_advantage

Comment3-

So if we intend [and voters demand we do] to keep our borders nearly closed, we must first increase foreign aid

Answer3-

No- we must highlight the point that the UN principles that cover refugees and human are fallacious and unsustainable and refuse to comply with them for our survival.
Unless the underlying issue of security (in Maslow's pyramid) is addressed then there will be a constant flow of refugees- but sovereign rights restrict international action.
It's a complex issue but the extreme left try to blame the western patriarchy for the issues so they can obtain power- politics is mostly about power- who's got it- and who wants it. The question is- is power becoming more concentrated? I believe the answer is yes- this implies that we are going in the wrong direction- like pin the tail on the donkey- we are blind and confused without principles to give us bearings on the ocean.

Comment4-

And find other ways to return financial refugees.

Answer4-

Sometimes in management it's important to act rather than to find the best solution. Analysis Paralysis.

Comment5-

IT HURTS people I respect like Paul and Foxy will not like it.

Answer5-

I've addressed this above.
Posted by Canem Malum, Sunday, 26 May 2019 9:33:38 AM
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But unless the coming financial crisis leads to recession Socialism will not sell
So Labor, [as it has before] must abandon some of its once very reason to exist policies
Follow the voters not march away from them
To rap up feeding the few while ignoring the many is not good politics

Answer6-

The Labor movement have forgotten the Labour perhaps in the goal of world labour solidarity (as Belly has alluded to). World solidarity is a principle in common with Trotskyist Communism. It seems to the based on the idea that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" rather than "Bellum omnium contra omnes".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellum_omnium_contra_omnes

I believe that it's more important to "focus on stability and to nurture our traditional alliances to create safety in Australia" rather than rely on "pure economic means to create stability and safety".
I believe that the economic approach is doomed to failure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Ricardo#Comparative_advantage

Hopefully "the many" can learn to see it too as it's depressing to see the few "Extreme Left Trotskyist Communists" manipulating the many for their own advantage.
There are 1. Those that want the power 2. Those that are convinced by the propaganda of those that want the power 3. Those that aren't convinced by those that want the power but can't fight it 4. Those that don't care enough to believe in any principles.

We need to help those in group 2 to question more- give those in group 3 weapons of argument- give principles to those in group 4.

The thing we should fear is fear itself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_inauguration_of_Franklin_D._Roosevelt
Posted by Canem Malum, Sunday, 26 May 2019 9:34:34 AM
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Wars and Laws are not "fair"- What is fair?- subjective existentialism and anthropological relativism- we must forge our world using fire- there will be blood and pain and horror- caused by all sides- it will haunt us. War is won by deception- Sun Tzu. Our culture and the legacy of our ancestors must survive- even if it is by blood. Our choice is blood or blood
Posted by Canem Malum, Sunday, 26 May 2019 9:49:55 AM
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