Aidan do try to be honest once in your life.

The CO2 emissions mentioned were in the production of batteries, not the power to drive the thing.

If you want to drive the things you will need a whole bunch of coal fired power houses, particularly in Germany, where they are building 12 at the moment, before electric cars are morn than an occasional annoyance. Windmills can't do it.

What lie do you have to refute the fact that it would cost billions to re power high density living areas. These areas do not have enough supply to charge cars, & no high rise unit block can supply charging facilities without huge costs in repowering them.

Typical of the left. We are still paying through the nose for the thought bubble of another idiot, KRudd with the NBN. These fools can't hold a thought long enough to see to the end of the road they are pushing. Unintended consequences of these fools will kill us.

I wonder if the left will ever actually grow up & face reality.

Lithium batteries need replacing every ten years, I am told. I am also told that safe disposal, if there is such a thing, will be massively expensive - again - if possible; they cannot go into landfill because of their toxicity. I don't know whether or not anyone has given thought to what will happen to them.

Pre poll booth this morning, not going to be a Labor win[this seat], but happy with more than usual taking our HTV cards
Polls tight hope to see the latest before leaving for my booth tomorrow

Dear Adan,

Thanks for clearing that up about
"shew."

So when you say "old-fashioned,"
you mean - archaic?

That makes perfect sense in the circumstances.

I should have known.

For anyone interested in paying a tribute
to Bob Hawke in a national condolence book -
Bill Shorten invites all Australians to
do so at the following link:

http://www.mygc.com.au/bill-shorten-invites-australians-to-pay-tribute-to-bob-hawke-in-national-condolence-book/

Hasbeen, I try to be honest all the time. Perhaps for once in your life you could try to match this?

>The CO2 emissions mentioned were in the production of batteries, not the power to drive the thing.

Wrong. The study looked at total CO2 emissions over the life of the vehicle. This obviously includes the production of batteries - but as I said, the production of batteries now produces less CO2 than the production of the batteries of the vehicles in the study.

A study that just looked at the emissions in manufacturing a vehicle wouldn't be much use if it ignored the efficiency benefits of using it.

> If you want to drive the things you will need a whole bunch of coal fired power houses,
No you don't. You need some additional electricity, but not much, and none of it need come from coal.

I don't have any lies to "refute" any facts, but I do notice some of the things you regard as "facts" are actually claims based on dubious assumptions. You greatly overestimate how much power is needed to charge EVs, and you ignore the likely outcome that some users would use their EV batteries for home storage.

Though I wouldn't expect the cost of the required electricity distribution network upgrades to run into the billions, it wouldn't be a huge surprise if it did. I haven't been tracking the cost of transformers.

The NBN as Labor envisaged it would have been of huge benefit to our nation, and well worth the cost. What we got under the Libs was worse than doing nothing - we got unreliable dead end technology for very little cost saving. Even the one part of their changes that was theoretically a good idea (use of existing HFC) they ruined by paying far too much for it considering the condition it was in (probably because they didn't consider the condition it was in).
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Foxy, they're Apple's words not mine.
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ttbn, batteries should aways be recycled, as the lithium, cobalt,etc are quite valuable.