Here is another example of muslim culture.

There is no suggestion of any extreme organisation , such as ISIS, involved. It was committed by those supporting the accused.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-20/nusrat-jahan-rafi-burned-alive-report-sexual-assault-principal/11033446

We can expect similar here as our muslim population grows. It is inevitable that we get an occasional honour killing and the terrorist killings as the muslim proportion of our community increases.

Do not be surprised if it eventuates that members of her family were involved or approved of setting her on fire. It seems to be a common practice to burn a wife or attack a former lover with acid.

We have had occasions here during ethnic disputes where acid was poured on a man in a chair.

We should not forget the terrorist attacks here or the gang rapes. The little girls subject to FGM and child marriages. Nor when our females were refered to as 'cats meat' and muslims called for beheading of critics.

Events such as in the news item above are coming to Aus with increasing risk as the muslim population increases.

Politicians of both major parties continue importations that increase the risk.

Let's wait for the apologists' comments & excuses !

Henry,

I'm waiting for our feminists to pay any attention to this appalling crime. But I suppose it's Bangladeshi 'culture', init ? And all cultures are equal.

No, it's a ghastly uninterest in women's rights outside of the smashed avo circle, certainly a lack of interest in the rights to life of women in other countries. Oops, I almost typed 'non-white women'.

Joe

Awful. But just as awful was the fact that that my initial reaction was something like: 'well, that's Bangladesh and any Muslim country you could name'.

I don't know that we can “ expect similar here as our muslim population grows”. Practising Islam (which is what the perpetrators did) in an Islamic country is a lot different from trying it in Australia, where Muslims are being brought to book for committing that other wonderful Islamic practice of mutilating female genitalia. I don't think that our police would brush off the victim's complaint of sexual abuse, nor not protect her as the Bangladeshi police did. And the “wave of protest” that occurred in Bangladesh would be nothing compared to what would have happened here.

Nobody could dislike Islam more than I do. Nobody could be more opposed to Muslim immigration than I; but I don't think there are any implications for Australia in this incident. All Muslim immigration should cease; but not for something that happened in another country.

I find it perennially amusing the apologists of Islam in the West are exactly the same folks who, were White people embodying its same ethos, would not shut up for one minute about the need to eradicate such hateful and intolerant views.

Well you will get no excuse from me
Pointed this out on facebook,add to it in fact
Todays news two Christian Churches burnt down in such a country
Never said some Muslims are not purely evil, some preachers even more so
Murder in the name of any God, and this faith leads, is insanity and proves in my view that God never existed
Primative people in the service of a never existed God

Belly,

"Murder in the name of any God, and this faith leads, is insanity and proves in my view that God never existed
Primative people in the service of a never existed God"

Let's paraphrase that a little,

"Murder in the name of Muhammad, and this faith leads, is insanity and proves in my view that Muhammad never existed
Primative people in the service of a never existed Muhammad"

It can never be right to kill in the name of
God. - but it should be dawning on all peoples that
is is time to let go of the pretensions that
anyone knows the will of God. (or Jesus, Mohammad,
Donald Trump or Tom Cruise).

is mise ok your opinion, please do not try to make mine for me
Death toll now 180, in a country not Muslim
No doubt it was Muslim terrorist primitives who did it
Tell me this is not true *more Muslims are killed by the filth than any one*
Do you care about them
War will come, all out without the news cameras, against Islamic fundamentalism, I support that
But will never ever ignore the truth
Not all Muslims are a threat
Too no God, had any existed, put us all on this world so we could hate each other and kill in his/her name

Foxy,

We know the will of Muhammad, he's the one that the Angel Gabriel gave God's messages to, and he wrote down what should be done and made sure that it can never be changed, so we know the will of Allah and consequently the will of Muhammad.

We also know the will of Jesus because we have the Gospels and as a Catholic, you must be well aware that God guides the Pope, where necessary, and Christ has said that he is with the Church even unto the end of the world.
So we must know the will of Jesus.

As for Donald Trump and Tom Cruise, we can ask them.

I suppose it's a little too early for a statement from Waleed Aly similar to the Christchurch one ?

Belly,

"is mise ok your opinion, please do not try to make mine for me"

Not at all, merely pointing out that your statement doesn't stand scrutiny.

At the risk of being labelled an apologist, I'd like to point out that this was another example of violent crime and corruption. It had very little to do with muslim culture.

Sexual misconduct by people in positions of power has long been a problem in Australia, and certainly hasn't been confined to muslims. And you need only look at Cardinal Pell to see that people accused of sexual assault often have friends in high places here too.

The main difference in Bangladesh is that the accused seems to have friends in low places too - and is sufficiently evil and stupidly confident to take advantage of that. Assuming he's guilty of course; we don't know the details of how the crime was arranged, but I'd be astonished if there's any credibility in HenryL's prejudiced alternative explanation.

Pure bigotry, even if powered by an inability to understand will get us no place
The thread started about that young woman,my facebook post called for and end to all dealings, everything, with the country it took place in
Until they become human
No not sorry believe it, women are the biggest victims of Islam, BUT never forget we too do not seem to believe in equality
Worse thing about some posts is true, or they think they are, Christians seem to deeply hate every Muslim
The truth is, without change, without massive, honest effort, by these two countries to wipe terrorists, and dreadful teachers of hate out, the China method of controlling that faith, dreadful but in the end effective, will come
Tell me again why God who made us all, made other Gods so we could murder each other in the name of teachers of a better way to live God?

Christians seem to deeply hate every Muslim
Belly,
Correction, Muslims go out of their way to make themselves disliked ! Christians do it too although with less direct violence, they resort to greed !

individual,
Correct and the root problem of religion is not religion per se, but Abrahamic religions – there can be no sugar-coating it.

Aidan,
I don't care what you call yourself or what you label me, but the burning of one wife and acid attacks are part of the culture in Bangladesh and Pakistan and they are both muslim countries.

You may not want to accept it but it is part of their culture,just like binge drinking and drug taking by young adults are part of our culture whether we like it or not.

Honor killing by family members is common in both countries so it would not surprise if family had some involvement.

Belly,
Since when is a dislike of wife burning, acid attack and honor killing bigotry? There are many other cultural practices of muslims that cause me to dislike the ideology of Islam

For the record I am not religious in any way, I have no qualms about writing NONE on the census form.

I see you advocate cutting all dealings with Bangladesh so I ask you is that the way you would deal with terrorism. I am interested because I consider we should lower our immigration and make our country safer by stopping entry of those that have shown they will not integrate and cause us strife. Some are simply not compatable with our society. All those that we have convicted of terrorism are muslim and that tells me the less muslims we have the safer we are and the more cohesive is our community.

Not an example of Muslim culture? Piffle! It's typical of how Muslim culture views women. It's a view that Western feminists seem to have of Muslim women, too. They are too busy with abortion 'rights' to worry about a girl who gets burnt to death on top of being sexually harassed. And silly old Western men are more concerned about 'bigotry' and attacking their own culture than they are in Islamic ritual murder.

The British Raj managed to stamp out the disgusting, inhuman Hindu practice of suttee, but Islamic savagery against women escaped scrutiny, apparently.

Now, I said that the same thing could not happen here because we are a rule of law country; however, if you up look the political system of Bangladesh, you will see that they claim the same for themselves. Given the downward trend in Australia, the apologists for Islam here (we have a couple mouthing off in this thread), I might have been a little too confident.

Thankyou, Henry, for bringing our attention to this atrocity and flushing out the usual suspects on OLO who think that all cultures are equal, no matter how vile some of them are.

ttbn,

"The British Raj managed to stamp out the disgusting, inhuman Hindu practice of suttee, but Islamic savagery against women escaped scrutiny, apparently."

Not quiet,

"Several thousand people attended the sati.[1987] After her death, Roop Kanwar was hailed as a sati mata – a "sati" mother, or pure mother. The event quickly produced a public outcry in urban centres, pitting a modern Indian ideology against a traditional one. The incident led first to state level laws to prevent such incidents, then the central government's Commission of Sati (Prevention) Act."

There have been a number of cases since the British left, but so few in comparison with the general population as to be almost negligible, still the practice exists.

Henry L surely you can be offended by me without making up things I never said or believe?
I in my post said nothing about burning wives
In fact put those type in the inhuman box too
Constructing a lie, that every Muslim is evil, is sad and untrue
Every Catholic is a pedophile
Most Christian groups hide acts of pedophilia.
See both statements are clearly not true
The three middle eastern religions, Jewish Christian Islam came from one God fable
We no longer need fairy tales to comfort us

Belly,
You stated that you would stop all dealings with Bangladesh because a girl is murdered. So you consider all Bangladeshis to blame for her death. Now you call me a bigot for raising the issue of her death..

So, I say again, how am I a bigot for raising the issue of wife burning, acid attacks and honor killing? These are cultural practices in Bangladesh which is a muslim country.

Just how would you make our country safer from terrorist attack knowing almost all are carried out by muslims. I have stated what I would do.

HenryL,
>acid attacks are part of the culture in Bangladesh and Pakistan and they are both muslim countries.
Firstly, what do you mean by "part of the culture"? The legal system of both countries regards them as very serious offences - indeed in Bangladesh it can be a capital offence (though it depends on what parts of the body were injured) while Pakistan's legal retribution involves inflicting acid burns on the perpetrator.

Acid attacks are also a problem in India, and not just among Muslims. If you want to know the real source of the problem, a lot of it has to do with acid being cheap and readily available. And culture does play a part, though not in the simplistic way you think. Some people in South Asia have a dangerous combination of sexism, a strong sense of entitlement, and a deep hatred of anyone who contravenes their imagined entitlements. That's not something that can be determined by what religion someone identifies as, except to say it's much rarer among Christians.

>Honor killing by family members is common in both countries so it would not surprise if family had some involvement.
That's kind of like saying drug related murders are common in Australia so if a man is charged with murdering his wife in Australia it would not be surprising if it were drug related.

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Belly,
Who would a boycott be aimed at? Despite their initial reluctance to take the sexual assault allegations seriously, the Bangladeshi police now have the suspects in custody. And though acid attacks are still a huge problem there, the rate of them is declining.

>Tell me again why God who made us all, made other Gods so we could murder each other...
God did not. Humans did.

quote from the preaching of one of the main suspects for Sri Lankan bombings

“Islam doesn't permit standing up for National flag. Hindus, Christians, Buddhists as are Non-believers. *Allah created this land for Muslims*; Kafirs have the right to live, only Muslims have the right to rule. Loyalty of Muslims should only be for the Nation ruled by Muslims. It's a sin to live in the West, land of disbelief. Even if a disbeliever does good things, i hate him, because he is a non-believer.”

Imam Tawidi

the religion of peace and tolerance as the NZ Prime Minister would have us believe.

runner,

It'd be a great help if you gave a reference now and again.

Aiden Henry L it is the very culture , men owning women in that country and most in that area that continues
Isolate them until they act to implement true rights and honest policing of new laws
Henry L not sure you can defend yours by miss reading my mind and intentions
Bar war trade and travel bans are the only thing we can do, so do it

Dear HenryL,

Female genital mutilation s practice by both Christians and Muslims in Nigeria yet it is in the Christian sections where it is most widely practiced.

"Practice of FGM has no relationship with religion. Muslims and Christians practice it, but it is more widely spread in Christian predominated parts of Nigeria."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3507121/#ref2

Is this an example of 'Christian culture or Muslim culture or of the environment?

Belly,

What a great Idea!!

Trade restrictions with Bangladesh and maybe successfully put a few million women out of work.

Ban travel and we could make life miserable for a few more.

Belly,
I have yet to find anyone with a better plan than myself to reduce immigration and reduce the terrorist risk in our community.

My plan is to stop immigration of those groups that have demonstrated to us that they will not integrate and cause us trouble and strife. Muslim top the bill in that and we have over 20 in jail for terrorist offences. All those convicted are muslim and we have to note that. One wonders how many thousands muslim terrorists have killed world wide.

There are other groups also that need to be stopped from immigrating. The African groups from which the gangs are from need stopping and the groups that promote FGM and child marriage also need stopping. we must make it clear that we will not tolerate contempt of our society and laws.

More may have to be done to reduce the population of aliens, but stopping the entry is the vital first step.

stopping the entry is the vital first step.
Henry L,
yes but equally vital a first step is to work on making the average citizen here more aware than the European authorities did with theirs.

Henry L amuseing that you openly remind me only your thoughts and views matter
Look around the Muslim community already in this country
Quite a lot do not practice the faith
Some leave the faith
Some are victims [daughters]of the faith
Again why do you not tell of Catholic horrors
EG head of that Church in Sydney, in the barbaric mans easter speech, he called out, wait for it
Enquirys in to institutions, for the damage it did to his Church
I prpose we ban that church refuse entery to its members and deport those already here
Satire can be fun

Belly,

What about those women in Bangladesh who'll be put out of work?

Well it's been quite revealing, reading some of the comments on this topic.
I have never noticed how so many commentors on OLO find these types of acts amusing and make merry of them.
Might I remind those who wish to condemn and place sanctions on the countries who's beliefs do not align with ours, that these are countries and people in their own right.
We may comment and criticise, but ultimately, it is their business.
As many of us are saying, regularly, let's focus on our country and our borders, let's focus on not allowing people who's cultures openly conflict with ours, into our country.
Now I know it discriminates against those who have renounced their faith, and that should be the end of it, but, do we take the risk of allowing someone from, shall we say, an undesirable country or views which 'might' cause harm or worse to an Australian citizen, based on 'their' word?
I am reminded of the phrase, 'guilty by association', and yes I am aware of the message it would send to the world.
Because laws are designed to make it easier for the law enforcers, it stands to reason they make life hard for the people who are supposed to abide by those laws.
And yes I do realise the prejudice towards those Muslims who are prepared to renounce their faith for the sake of a better less acrimonious life in another 'safer' less draconian country.
But unfortunately, that is the state of affairs currently, so unless the Muslim community and it's leaders start to tone down the messages of hate and the inciting of murder towards non Muslims (everyone else in the world), they will ALL be held to account, in contempt and with suspicion.
And yes, for the sake of our very lives and well being they must be refused entry into ALL other countries in the world, until they have realised that their behaviour is not acceptable to the rest of the world.

is mise hard to talk to you, even honest answers get branded some thing else by you
It is a fact we westerners are the reason these woman are under paid
Too as my pr0blem is the way women are treated there yes woman will suffer
But if the rigght result come be far better off in the long run

Belly and you cry the victim creed.
You state;'It is a FACT we westerners are the reason these women are underpaid'.
Is that so?
May I trouble you to expound further on this little pearler of a 'fact'?
While I'm here, indulge me by letting me have a stab at your comment.
Let's see, we are to blame because if we did not purchase goods from them they would not have to work for the 'token' amount they get paid?
If I am even close, it would not have occurred to you that what they get paid is what they get paid, and like it or not, they are greatful for it.
Unlike the selfish greedy scum here in Australia, pushing wages and cost of living to one of the highest in the world.
In total denial that it is the unions and the labour mentality that has brought us, once again, to edge of this current precipice.
This next GFC is going to be a doozy, and it's a shame that the scum that caused it will not be affected.
No once again the working class, blue collar worker will cop it in the neck, pocket, legs, head and so on.
Why is it there are those out there, like yourself, who want to change others lives and lifestyle, when you completely overlook the greed, averace, arrogance, selfishness and disgusting behaviour by those in your immediate vicinity and all around you?
How you can keep pushing your convoluted mantra, is beyond the pale, and a complete mystery to those of us with open and inquisitive minds.

Belly,

"Is mise hard to talk to you, even honest answers get branded some thing else by you
It is a fact we westerners are the reason these woman are under paid"

It is a fact that we westerners are part of the reason that these women are paid at all; never the less, your great idea would see them starve and their children along with them.

Suggest that you visit Bangladesh and see things for yourself.

ALTRAV! I place zero value on your opinions or thoughts
Have, many times, asked you not to include me in your comments
In all truth I can be even more rude than you
And would only sink toyour level if I was
Youare a verbal bully
Leave me out of your unhinged rants
ISmise,okknow, have seen in your posts, you CARE ABOUT PEOPLE IN THIS AREA
no pain no gain FOR A WHILE I too bought the cheap clothing, sure you know about the deaths in unsafe factors/sweat shops by fire
Are you saying it is wrong to care for women ? to scream with pain at this girls murder
Is mise you SEEM to dislike me that much that you look for things to be upset with in my every post
Ease up old fella you cannot change the way I think.
You highlight an inability on your part not mine

Issy, I think we've finally hit a nerve with ole' Belly.
I have over time given him a lot of leeway on his spelling and structure of his submissions, but now he has joined the female of his tribe in demonstrating his in-ability to engage in creative discussions which might delve into some exposing criticisms.
Issy seeing as how he is still responding to you, would you please pass on the message that, no matter who, whether it be him or anyone else, if they engage in unfounded and incorrect facts, statements or beliefs, I will ALWAYS stand up and correct them.
Just in the same way I have told OLO-ens to do for me.
So if he thinks someone like me is picking on him for some personal reason, he is way off track.
The moral of the story is; don't talk sh!te and you won't get scrutinised.

Belly,

"Ease up old fella you cannot change the way I think.
You highlight an inability on your part not mine"

Not trying to change the way you think, but Grammarly (free download) will change the way you spell, and that would be a blessing to all of us.

In the interests of OLO I leave another thread
Not sure it is worth staying here at all
Think with me on this, if I continue to return serve, to people I am convinced are not bright but quite rude, needlessly
What becomes of this site
We can and do,disagree, in posts directed at me ALTRAV has said my people [he tells us he came from Italian stock] Ausralians, are fools
is mise in the end is to be felt sorry for
TTBN?
Is it ok to hunt people on every thread, even if that person trys every thing including not postingin threads they start
IS IT A REQUIREMENT THAT I CHANGE MY OPINIONS TO FIT IN WITH PURE BIGOTRY?
try another thread tempted boy am I tempted to serve back, but in the end that is so damaging to this place, after all one of us has to be an adult, Foxy stay strong you are worth a hundred of them

Have any Muslim leaders openly condemned these horrible actions by some of their members ?

Runner,
Can you provide a link for the quote from Imram Tawidi?

It could be useful in the future, as we have to show that Islam has no intention of integrating with others.

Belly,
I think your opinion of boycotting Bangladesh was a knee jerk reaction to the horror of the girls death. I still would like to know how you and Labor would make Aus safer and the community more cohesive.

We could make Australia safer by stringent controls on explosives and things that burn intensely.

Maybe we could ban thermite for a start.

Issy, I applaud your good intentions, BUT I fear removing all and any, such weapons, like thermite, will only make the 'nut jobs' more focused and determined to succeed at their chosen field and manner of mayhem and destruction.
I would rather find a better way of identifying the 'nut jobs', but that ain't gonna happen.
Don't forget that you can make explosives out of materials readily available from your supermarket even.
I am reminded of the substance 'anfo', used as explosives in the mining industry.
From memory it was a derivative of 'super phosphate', therefore easily available, 'off the shelf', then add diesel and a detonator, and there you have it.
Many years ago I resigned myself to the fact that we can never protect ourselves from bad people, because if they are intent on doing bad, they will put all their energies and resources into achieving that goal.
We can only hope that we are not in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Altrav,

My good intentions were tongue in cheek.

Thermite burns at around 2500 degrees Celsius, is virtually impossible to extinguish and is made from such common materials as to be impossible to ban.

Among those things that burn intensely are petrol and diesel fuels, so luck with banning or restricting them, and they are all over the country many millions of gallons of them.

'Runner,
Can you provide a link for the quote from Imram Tawidi?

Hi Henry L

as you might know Iman Tawidi is a brave muslim from Adelaide whose life has been threatened by those following the teachings of Mohammed for exposing truth. He posted the quote on facebook quoting who he thought was the main suspect. It hit my facebook page. I will try and track it down. As you might know facebook is often quite political and pull down posts that don't fit the leftist agenda.

Hey HenryL

"It could be useful in the future, as we have to show that Islam has no intention of integrating with others."

They aren't the only ones.
Islam is the one that makes all the noise;
But there's another one quietly causing just as much trouble;
And who also have no intention of integrating with anyone else either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egtsc-Gz35o&t=2414s&bpctr=1556106183

Notre Dame Ablaze: Israeli Rabbi Says Jews Obligated to Burn Down Churches
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iACqKq9QFbg

Here's a question for you
Why does Benjamin Netanyahu tell other nations leaders to include Anti-Zionism as a form of Anti-Semitism?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12203054

Answer - Because it's in the Talmud, and part of the Noahide Laws.

There isn't just one group with dangerous beliefs we need to be careful of...

There isn't just one group with dangerous beliefs we need to be careful of...
Armchair Critic,
Correct but that doesn't vindicate the largest of those groups !

AC,

Proddies aren't too keen on integrating with Catholics either.

Hindus aren't too keen on integrating with Christians.

Buddhists aren't too keen on integrating with Hindus, Muslims, Catholics OR Proddies. And obviously vice versa.

So they all could have burnt Notre Dame down, since, after all, suspicions about a group may lead to finding something that could be used conceivably as evidence, and therefore the entire group is to blame for some crime like this.

Keep letting us know your true thoughts and what foundations they are based on :) It was Hitler's birthday last week, AC - he's now 130, and somewhere in the South American jungle.

Joe

Belly,

"IS IT A REQUIREMENT THAT I CHANGE MY OPINIONS TO FIT IN WITH PURE BIGOTRY?"

Not at all, Grammarly is so bigotted towards correct spelling and grammar as to be beyond the pale.

Can't you afford a free download?