Assange has been arrested because he failed to appear in a British
Court some years after the charges from Sweden had been dropped.
However he is now being held on a extradition request on a charge
of treason of the United States.
Whats that ? Treason to country of which he is not a national.
Additionally he was a fugitive in the Equadorian Embassy at the time
the offense was committed.
The New York Times published the emails, why were they not arrested
years ago. Because they were US citizens ?

How on earth can the US impose its laws on a foreign national not in
their country at the time of the so called offense.
If they get away with this then all Chinese or anyone who has offended
China can expect a visit from the police with an extradition warrant.

The Australian government should tell the US to put their warrant
or else pack up Pine Gap after all Australian staff there could be extradited to the US.

The conundrum for the Australian Government is that the US has the death penalty for treason and Australia doesn't support the notion of its citizens facing the ultimate penalty.

«Assange has been arrested because he failed to appear in a British Court»

No, he was arrested for behaving like a pig in the Ecuadorian embassy and biting the hand that fed him.

«How on earth can the US impose its laws on a foreign national not in their country»

Because they do not know that there is anywhere besides their country. They don't teach it in their schools.

«If they get away with this then all Chinese or anyone who has offended China can expect a visit from the police with an extradition warrant.»

China already does so where they can. A list of pacific islands will follow, so we must be careful. FREE TIBET!

«The Australian government should tell the US»

No use. The Australian government should have sent a submarine to whisk Assange away when he was under house arrest close to the English channel. Subsequently, Assange had years to plan an escape from the Ecuadorian embassy and with that many supporters he had every chance of success with help from friends and the London fog, but he didn't. Now is too late!

Finally, after seven years of avoiding justice, Assange is going to have to face it.

the darling of the left for so long.

Look. Comrades. You fail to see the obvious.

Mr Julian Assange's international position, greatness and gravitas precedes him.

Like a Prince or President he stands above mere UK and US laws.

Like Gandhi before him he has the type of immunity appropriate to the Secretary General of the United Nations or at least the Pope.

Get it right people. Show respect to Mr Assange, your better, who, like Jesus layed down his life for for a better world.

In the words of Pamela Anderson. "Never in history has a stud-muffin laid down his gooba for my booty." http://pagesix.com/2018/04/29/whats-really-going-on-with-bizarre-duo-pam-anderson-and-julian-assange/

Hail Jules!

Isn't it wonderful to see a scumbag brought to account? Rape and espionage are no small matters. Personally I'd be happy to see him rot in prison for not cleaning up after his cat and his low standards of personal hygiene.

He might not even make it to court.
If he says he got 'The Podesta Files' from Seth Rich then he's implicating the DNC in murder.

Never expected anything different, we are taking sides based on politics not the law
Let me set our my side
The man is a grub, he self promotes but does not care about the implications of his actions
Pre Hillarys emails? the ones he shared with Russia?
His release of American Armed forces murdering innocents?
A hero
The sex charge? very dumb stuff, in the country that sent him into hiding,by law, you must wear a condom,
He, idiot,refused, at the near peak of the aids epidemic
America? good grief you should not send anyone there to face the wrath of a bitter truth hiding country like that
Trump however, in today's press says he knows nothing about Wikileaks, he may get a pardon, Trump too

I'm not sure what all the fuss is about with the
Assange case - nor why it's gone on for so long.

I thought he'd stay in the embassy for a few months
and then all this would die down. Instead it's gone
on for years. No wonder the embassy has had enough.

Why on earth does the US want to extradite a non-citizen
on some computer hacking charges -
I can't understand.

And -

The Swedish rape allegations
were dropped years ago. Due to suspect charges.
The prosecutors there found
that police had made up things, and the two women
complainants were a bit suss.

Still -

It will be interesting to see what happens next.
This case should have been dealt with a long time
ago.

Equador was given a 4bln loan by the IMF as quid pro quo.
Previous Ecuadorian leader says revoking Assanges asylum is the greatest betrayal of his nation ever.
Assange was previously given Ecuadorian citizenship apparently.

Funny thing all this talk of 'democracy' and the 'rule of law'.

Jesse Smollet gets off for lying.
Julian Assange gets prosecuted for telling the truth.

If Australia was in any way an independent nation, then they'd WANT him back because of his intelligence knowledge.

- All just goes to show that Union Jack doesn't mean anything except the opportunity to send ones nations athletes to the Commonwealth Games.

Hey Foxy,

"Why on earth does the US want to extradite a non-citizen
on some computer hacking charges -
I can't understand."

So they can threaten him with life imprisonment or death for treason; or turn state witness against Trump regards 'Russian Collusion'.

- There's always the bigger picture -

Foxy
are you loco?

Where you say "I'm not sure what all the fuss is about with the Assange case"

We are not talking about an ordinary mortal, like you and moi. We are talking about a Gandhi like figure of the world stage.

About THE Mr Julian Assange the internationally recognised noble upholder of great causes, including:

- press freedom
- inciting wikileaks of SECRETs from lonely American transexuals, but never from Russia or China.
- world peace (if you will) and
- stud-muffin to famous women all over the world

eg:

From Cricket lovin Jemima Khan http://www.theguardian.com/theobserver/2011/apr/10/observer-profile-jemima-khan-wikileaks

to

Baywatch intellectual Pammy Anderson http://www.foxnews.com/tech/pamela-anderson-calls-julian-assange-a-hero-and-asks-for-his-release

Forget Assange and what he may or may not have done.
He did not hack into the US Intelligence system, Chelsey whatever its
name is this week was tried and convicted, gaoled and paroled for that offense.
What Assange did was load the data Chelsey sent him onto his server,
or someone else in his organistion did it.

The crux of the matter is he has not been in the US and is not a US citizen.
So the US wants to apply US laws to people who are not US citizens
and are not in the US.
Next time you exceed the speed limit you might be stopped by the California Highway Patrol ! !
What is the difference ?
Be careful what you write on here about China !
Who was the Editor of the Sydney Morning Herald that published the emails ?

AC,

On what grounds would they have for imprisonment?
He merely did what their own journalists do
all the time. They would then have to go after
their own leading media outlets - such as the
New York Times, and their reporters. As for treason?
He's not a US citizen.

He looked like Rip Van Winkle coming out of the embassy; probably has a trim as often as he bathes. And what can be said of the mindset of someone thinking it unreasonable to have to clean up after your pet? I think the embassy staff showed enormous tolerance.

One of the complainants wants justice for an alleged sexual assault:

https://www.thelocal.se/20190411/swedish-prosecutor-urged-to-reopen-rape-investigation-into-julian-assange

Funny how a cardinal is guilty yet a pot stirrer alleging outrageous things like Hillary Clinton running a paedophile ring from a pizza joint in Washington DC is the victim of suss charges by lying women.

He did look very old, his ego has been out of control for a long while
He almost evicted himself with recent statements
Not helped by the new leader of the Banana Republic sheltering him, Cash in a brown paper bag?US dollars of course
Yet the younger man, the one who as said did not hack America but did show the world dreadful murders?
Hero? well thanks we needed that, but what followed asks questions
Trump, truly in my view, may rather he did not come to America, he must have much he could tell us

A flawed character who abused the power he wielded, Belly. I have no sympathy for him.

"Despite the constant claims from Assange and the Trumps that the emails stolen from Democrats implicated Clinton in scandal and corruption, it is important to keep in mind that the WikiLeaks method of encouraging Trump supporters and Reddit trolls to scour the documents for evidence of malfeasance did not, in fact, uncover any such evidence.

Instead, the hacked emails were used to reverse-engineer preposterous conspiracy theories, like the imaginary pedophilia scandal called Pizzagate, which WikiLeaks was still treating as real two months after the election"

https://theintercept.com/2017/11/15/wikileaks-julian-assange-donald-trump-jr-hillary-clinton/

Assange and his Wikileaks (Western-secrets-leaking-factory http://wikileaks.org/ ) is hereby congratulated by Putin

in its concentration on information to embarrass the Western democracies in which we live.

This has freed up an ever grateful Putin to kill Russian opposition figures and other Enemies of the Russian State unquestioned by Wikileaks.

Is it possible that the US won't even bother to try to extradite what's-his-name to the US ?

After all, the assistance that Wikileaks - "I love Wikileaks !" - may or may not have given to Trump (not to mention the similarities in sexual preferences between WHN and the other one) might complicate the new witch-hunt investigations into the Mueller witch-hunt investigations.

One could even suspect, in the interests in a good conspiracy theory, that Mueller and the Ecuadorians are acting in league to deliberately embarrass Trump and force his tiny hand. Communist bastards.

Joe

Hey Foxy,

"On what grounds would they have for imprisonment?"

I'm honestly not sure what charges they intend to lay against him;

But I did hear he might be in trouble (if he did it) for helping Bradley Manning try to gain unauthorised access to a US govt website.

[As a side note, I'm sure that's what he did as a kid in the 'Julian Assange' mini-series they aired on TV some years back]

There's lots of things I don't know.

I don't know if he's in trouble for releasing classified material;
I don't know if he's going to be considered a 'journalist' or not - without any recognised 'journalistic' qualifications;
(They may try to argue this aspect)
However;
The first amendment does not place any stipulations on what constitutes 'the free press'
- it doesn't stipulate that one must have recognised qualifications.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

I don't actually know if the rights in the US constitution are afforded to non-US citizens.
(You made a valid point re: treason too btw)

What probably is noteworthy is United Nations Declaration of Human Rights;
https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/

"Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people"

It's interesting to note what James Clapper says here:
Comparing Wikileaks to The New York Times or Washington Post.
(Really though, they're just controlled corporate media)
http://youtu.be/Mrpq_GGxcnw

Also, what Jesse Ventura says here:
http://youtu.be/Np_QWiEtzkI

He's sticking up for Assange, reminding everyone that what he originally did was expose government war crimes and stressing the VERY VALID point that he not likely to get a fair trial once extradited to the US.

AC,

All too confusing for me I'm afraid.

I just don't see what right the US has
to extradite him to the US.

What would happen I wonder if Assange was to hop
on a plane back to Oz. Does he have a passport?
And can the British hand him over to the US?
What are all these legal implications?

Just don't know.

Foxy,

"Why on earth does the US want to extradite a non-citizen
on some computer hacking charges -
I can't understand."

Embarrassment, for starters.

Le Foxy

"What would happen I wonder if Assange was to hop on a plane back to Oz."

I'm sure the Australian media would love him. Many well-heeled ladies from around the world would also lay him.

Even members of the US and UK press would fly all the way to our rather quaint isle to have a royal audience with him.

But the Australian Government, be it Labor or Coalition, would loathe Julian as a drama Queen irritant. Even more than the crazed (fake) redhead, Pauline Hanson.

And don't forget that from the Ecuadorian Embassy, London, Julian tried to stand for the Australian Senate a while back!

Jules might stand again, from within Australia, and This Time Succeed! in getting into the Senate AND have the balance of power.

AND he would remain Generalissomo of an over-active Wikileaks-Russia International. Popular with Trumpy :)

Might Julian become Prime Minister?

There is no predicting what damage Jules may reap :(}

Well the conspiracies get a run, mostly we follow our own political paths but most too see the man as?
Well he has been both black and white, right now he seems a pathetic aged man who in truth forced his own eviction

"There is no predicting what damage Jules may reap :(}"

I think with that comment you've probably won me over;
- He could hardly do any worse than the succession we've already endured -
I'm all for it, why not?

So why did the Ecuadorian Government effectively KICK ASSANGE OUT OF THE EMBASSY?

Assange's charming personal habits may have helped:

"But the stench from [Assange] going weeks without a shower, and dental problems born of poor hygiene, was a constant nuisance, according to the [Ecuadorian Embassy] official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he is not authorised to discuss details of Assange's behaviour.

...The rules said that if [Assange's cat] was not properly fed and cleaned up after, it would be sent to the pound.

...Then there was the issue of Assange's FAECES, which authorities said he spread across embassy walls on at least one occasion in an act of open defiance showing how little he thought of his hosts."

As reported by normally sympathetic-to-Assange ABC News

- see "Julian Assange evicted from Ecuadorian embassy for 'spoiled brat' behaviour, President Lenin Moreno says",

on August 12, 2019 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-12/wikileaks-julian-assange-why-ecuador-ended-asylum/10999232

CORRECTION I meant APRIL 12, 2019:

as in "Julian Assange evicted from Ecuadorian embassy for 'spoiled brat' behaviour, President Lenin Moreno says"

of APRIL 12, 2019 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-12/wikileaks-julian-assange-why-ecuador-ended-asylum/10999232

It is pointless criticising Jukian Assange for his personal habits etc.
That is not what all this is about;
Can the US use its own laws to extradite a national of another country
for an offense against US law if that person was not in the US at the
time of the offense ?

The charge is treason. Can a person not a US citizen ever be guilty
of treason ?
Extradition is intended to recover someone who commits a crime and
then absconds to another country.

As I said as a joke, do not exceed 55MPH on the way home or you may be
pulled over by the California Highway Patrol. Whats the difference ?

The Marxists now have enough control, world-wide, to ensure that Assange is lionised, not punished. The pathetic UK won't even extradite Muslim terrorists because of their 'human rights'. Assange has nothing to fear from the decaying West.

This was always going to happen.

The charges against him were never going to disappear. And it seemed unlikely that he was going to be secretly bundled out of the UK to safety as part of some covert operation by a friendly government.

We can only hope he receives a fair trial.

Bozec doubt he will be treated fairly
Todays America is a vindicte one
He bought much of this on himself, we can sing his praises for that helicopter footage
We can highlight Hillary Clinton, plus a wrongly confident Democrat party deserved the email dump
No such dump or emails,should have existed
Help Trump, sorry deserves what he gets

Yes, Hillary Clinton is certainly among those baying for Assange's blood.

This will be interesting, If Assange is extradited to the US then it will completely confirm that seeking asylum was the only course of action open to him at the time. He often stated he would be happy to face either Swedish or UK justice if the option of extradition was removed. It wasn't.

It will also be interesting to see if Trump would pardon him given his effusive praise of Assange and Wikileaks during and after the campaign, 141 times it seems.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-12/donald-trump-administration-pressing-charges-julian-assange/10995934

Hillary probably wants to do to Assange what she did to Gaddafi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlz3-OzcExI

Difficult to predict how the US will finally put Assange on trial and what sentence may come out of it.

A possibility is - with Trump being unpopular with Mueller-FBI and Trump under wider criticism for Trump's pro-Putin leanings, Trump may be happy to toss the FBI a bone.

That bone being Assange, for the FBI to chew on...

On the contrary ttbn, for the reason you gave he will be extradited.
The UK is as weak as water, they will give in on a mild puff.

You are all arguing about what the charges are about.
That is not what is the problem.
The problem is the US trying to enforce their laws in other countries.
If a precedent is set China will be able to do the same.
That is all it is about.

Bazz,

Can the US do this without the permission of their
President? From what I hear, President Trump
is not all that interested.

Hiya Bazz

You only have a small bit of the story, which comes worse for Mr Julian Assange the Great.

More laterrrrr

:(}

Foxy They can or he could call for it, then say he knows nothing about it
Bazz has a point,right now even reporters are being Held without charge in many countries
Murdered in by Americas friends who are not held to account

Foxy,
I doubt, without really knowing, that it needs Presidential permission.
I would think it would be a fairly common process for their Attorney
Generals Dept. They could try and bluff it as they do for sales of
Iranian oil. There is a US Act that has a ban on Iran selling oil to
various countries without US permission.
Some countries just say Thhhbbblllttt to the US and buy it. eg China.
The US threatens countries defying the embargo with trade sanctions.
There have been other examples of US legal imperialism.

There is a principle that China as the "Central Kingdom" invokes that
surrounding countries are vassal states of China, known as Tianxia
which means China is the dominant country and don't you forget it.
The US is applying the same principle. Hence the clash between China
and the US. China states that the US is not a sovereign state and is a
vassal state of China as it does not accept the 1698 Westphalia treaty.
Ultimately that is what is behind it all.

Bazz,

Scary stuff.

"Julian Assange evicted from Ecuadorian embassy for 'spoiled brat' behaviour"

That's what they say to 'demonise' a person.

"Then there was the issue of Assange's FAECES, which authorities said he spread across embassy walls on at least one occasion in an act of open defiance showing how little he thought of his hosts."

They say that stuff, so that you're busy thinking "I hope the dirty bastard gets what he deserves", instead of standing up for him.

'...who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he is not authorised to discuss details of Assange's behaviour"

Yep, always some bs anonymous source.
This is how they 'make' news.

- There's no way to fact check an anonymous source you idiots.

Have you all really become that stupid?

Do you really think he's going to wipe shite all over the walls when they could kick him out anytime?
Why would he do that?
What would it achieve?

You people are dumb.

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Apologies.

Comment above sent by naughty dog "SCRUFF"

in error.

Hey Foxy,
Just wanted to show you this:

From The Age: Julian Assange is no journalist: don't confuse his arrest with press freedom
http://www.theage.com.au/national/assange-is-no-journalist-don-t-confuse-his-arrest-with-press-freedom-20190412-p51di1.html

You see? Right on queue.
It's a character assassination.

"In 2015, the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists got hold of more than 11 million documents leaked from the Panamanian law firm Mossack Fonseca. But the ICIJ did not simply publish and be damned. Instead, it compiled a team of journalists from 107 news organisations across 80 countries, who then spent more than a year going through that vast trove. "

Their argument is that you need a team of 'responsible' journalists to disseminate the information.
That regular people should not be priveliged with all the raw facts, that we need news organisations to 'filter' this information first.
It's the same argument James Clapper made the other day that I linked also.

And so, this is the official narrative just like I told you earlier.
But that idea runs contrary to the actual law of the land and the principles enshrined in the US constitution:

Go back to the First Amendment again.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Please note the valid hypocricy that if Assange had've exposed abuses the Chinese government was doing and embarrassed their government, he'd be behind a podium recieving an award.

- Also remember CNN spreading a lie at the time it was 'illegal' to view the wikipedia released Podesta files.(Only coporate media who filter it and tell you what to think are allowed to view it)

And here's more:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/04/12/democrats-need-say-why-trumps-wikileaks-praise-matters/?utm_term=.5a2f41ecc64a

If you watch the video for that article it spreads lies which are EASILY disproved. If these 'qualified journalists' were as good as what we're told they wouldn't make mistakes when it comes to easily disproven facts; it's deliberaty meant to mislead and shape the public opinion of those people who aren't aware of all the facts.

It says this at 15 seconds into the video:
"Before becoming President Donald Trump was a fan of Wikileaks which hacked Democratic emails in 2016.

This is a BLATENT LIE.

Wikileaks never hacked the DNC.
http://youtu.be/2D-NL5leJMI

Here's Assange himself saying Russia didn't give him the emails.
http://youtu.be/WPjZ3S8zcgE

I ask again do you think he will get a fair trial?
As fellow Aussies, this is the only issue we should be concerned with.

Armchair, the question is not whether Assange would get a fair trial.
It is whether such a trial should even be contemplated.
Us law cannot extend to other countries.
If that is accepted we would end up in chaos.
Saudi Arabia has a law against women traveling without their guardian's
consent. They have in fact enforced that law outside Saudi Arabia so
why not here ?
Do not drive over 55 MPH or you will be pulled up by the California Highway Patrol.
Hmmm

The full Fairfax (be it Age or Sydney Morning Herald) article by an infinitely more authentic journalist than the America, thus Australia hater Assange is:

Peter Greste’s
[founding director and spokesman for the Alliance for Journalists' Freedom...], April 12, 2019 http://www.smh.com.au/national/assange-is-no-journalist-don-t-confuse-his-arrest-with-press-freedom-20190412-p51di1.html

“JULIAN ASSANGE IS NO JOURNALIST: DON'T CONFUSE HIS ARREST WITH PRESS FREEDOM”

Standing before a media scrum in London, Julian Assange’s lawyer Jen Robinson declared that his arrest on Thursday "set a dangerous precedent for all media and journalists in Europe and around the world".

If his extradition were allowed, she said, any journalist could face charges for "publishing truthful information about the United States".

As someone who has been imprisoned by a foreign government for publishing material that it didn't like, I have a certain sympathy with Assange. But my support stops there.

To be clear, Julian Assange is not a journalist, and WikiLeaks is not a news organisation. There is an argument to be had about the libertarian ideal of radical transparency that underpins its ethos, but that is a separate issue altogether from press freedom.

In the American extradition request, WikiLeaks is accused of conspiring with the whistleblower Chelsea Manning to publish a huge trove of military documents in 2010. The documents included the infamous "collateral murder" video filmed from the gunsights of two US Apache helicopters as they opened fire on a group of men in Baghdad, including two Reuters journalists, killing them all.

Other documents included the Afghanistan War Logs, the Iraq War Logs, and "CableGate" – a trove of classified diplomatic cables that contained some embarrassingly undiplomatic analysis of world leaders and their countries. So far so newsworthy.

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"But Assange went further. Instead of sorting through the hundreds of thousands of files to seek out the most important or relevant and protect the innocent, he dumped them all onto his website, free for anybody to go through, regardless of their contents or the impact they might have had. Some exposed the names of Afghans who had been giving information on the Taliban to US forces.

Journalism demands more than simply acquiring confidential information and releasing it unfiltered onto the internet for punters to sort through. It comes with responsibility.

To effectively fulfil the role of journalism in a democracy, there is an obligation to seek out what is genuinely in the public interest and a responsibility to remove anything that may compromise the privacy of individuals not directly involved in a story or that might put them at risk.

Journalism also requires detailed context and analysis to explain why the information is important, and what it all means.

When The Guardian and The New York Times got hold of the cache of files that Edward Snowden downloaded from the US National Security Agency in 2013, they spent months searching through it to pick out the documents that exposed the extent of the NSA’s surveillance operations. Then, the newspapers took months more to release those stories in a cascade that was as explosive as it was impressive.

In 2015, the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists got hold of more than 11 million documents leaked from the Panamanian law firm Mossack Fonseca. But the ICIJ did not simply publish and be damned. Instead, it compiled a team of journalists from 107 news organisations across 80 countries, who then spent more than a year going through that vast trove. They carefully dug out evidence that confirmed corruption, tax evasion and the evasion of international sanctions by some of the world’s most powerful business and political elites

http://www.smh.com.au/national/assange-is-no-journalist-don-t-confuse-his-arrest-with-press-freedom-20190412-p51di1.html

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It was long, hard and expensive work, but it was also journalism at its finest, fulfilling its watchdog role by fearlessly holding the powerful to account and doing its best to protect the privacy of those who were doing nothing wrong."

"Julian Assange did none of that, so he cannot claim to be a journalist or hide behind arguments in support of press freedom. The distinction matters because of the way the digital revolution has confused the definitions of what journalism is and its role in a democracy.

We at the Alliance for Journalists' Freedom are committed to restoring public trust in journalism, which can only ever happen if its practitioners work with responsibility and respect. It has never been about opening up a hosepipe of information regardless of the consequences.”

http://www.smh.com.au/national/assange-is-no-journalist-don-t-confuse-his-arrest-with-press-freedom-20190412-p51di1.html

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As the article http://www.smh.com.au/national/assange-is-no-journalist-don-t-confuse-his-arrest-with-press-freedom-20190412-p51di1.html

indicates Assange is merely a political activist, not a true journalist. He mass dumps anti-American (Australia's ally's) secrets.

Assange's treatment of Russian secrets is rare and fawning.

Assange also supports the Edward Snowden franchise of Wikileaks which, with ex-CIA/NSA agent, Snowden's defection to Russia, is harboured by Russia.

It was not an anonymous source that claimed Assange smeared his faeces on the embassy walls:

"Interior Minister Maria Paula Romo said Assange went so far as to smear feces on the embassy’s walls."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2019/04/12/checkout-felt-rushed-julian-assanges-embassy-stay-an-airbnb-review/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.c7de2c5e3d1e

Yet another "darling of the left" turns out to be a complete scumbag. I am sorry the maximum sentence he faces in the US for colluding with Manning is only five years.

Fester,

If I could paraphrase the Left's (and possibly Trump's: go figure) response to your suggestion: "Yes, Assange might be a complete rapist scumbag, but he's OUR complete rapist scumbag."

For revealing names of informants and undercover agents in Afghanistan (just for a start), he might get a hell of a lot more than five years.

Guantanamo would be warming up at this time of year. Couldn't happen to a better scumbag.

Fester quite an imagination you have there
Understand, even forgive, see I understand that branding anything you dislike as leftist, is a known symptom of being uninformed

No worries, Belly. I have no affinity for extremists, left or right. Felt sympathetic to the fellow initially but changed my mind after following the story for several years. The beatification of people because of their politics is a sad reality.

Belly,

You might be interested in this interview with a soldier on the scene shortly after the Apache shooting. Life is complicated.

https://www.wired.com/2010/04/2007-iraq-apache-attack-as-seen-from-the-ground/

Fester take the S from https then your links willwork, regards to those who told me
AGREE, I too swung from support to the other side
WARNING constructed introduced witness saying what they are told to will never ever outweigh that voice in the chopper
Note as you have me in the leftist basket how do you find my agreement with your view?

Hey plantagenet,
I beat you to that article mate and I had a totally different take on it than you.
Even saw it coming days prior.

Hey Fester,
"It was not an anonymous source that claimed Assange smeared his faeces on the embassy walls:"

Not sure where I read that, it must've been in an article.

"Interior Minister Maria Paula Romo said Assange went so far as to smear feces on the embassy’s walls."

In any case it's just conjecture.
There's no evidence he actually did it;
They are just playing off the useful idiots so they will turn against him and not support his treatment by them.

Remember the rape charges were dropped.
There's no evidence he did that either.
There's nothing new since 2011.
They are trying to demonise him in the eyes of regular people.

The evidence against Assange is VERY FLIMSY.

Manning was talking to Assange using the secure messaging app 'JabbR' after already sending Wikileaks a large quantity of classified information.

Manning then told Assange that there was more information; but it was on a SIPRnet server he didn't have admin-level access to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIPRNet
Manning then sent Assange a hash (half of a code) to try and crack (or lure him to crack) in order to try to access this server.
(Manning may have been an asset and may have been trying to entrap Assange - there was no reason for him as a private or an analyst to have the classified info he already sent)
Later, Manning asked Assange if he was successful cracking the password to which Assange replied "No luck as of yet".

This is the basis within the indictment for saying Assange and Manning had an agreement, or conspired to hack US government servers.
- But in Assange's defense - we don't know if there's any actual evidence to support that Assange actually tried to help Manning access these servers.
We don't know if Assange tried to crack the password or sent Manning any potential passwords to try.
When Assange said "No luck as of yet", he may have just as likely been thinking 'I'm not going to do anything illegal myself, but I don't want to lose my source' (in the context of a journalist - and in the same manner as other corporate media journalists have done); so he's probably said that without any real intention at all to actually try to access that server.

Manning then says "Well I think I'm done for now, I don't think I'm going to try to do any more pulls (access classified information)";
To which Assange replies:
"Curious eyes never dry in my experience".
That's Assange simply saying something like 'Those with curiosity and a conscience to look at these things will probably continue to look more, in time'
This is the entire basis for the Justice Department's indictment of Julian Assange.

From here: http://youtu.be/esVwgpRfGuA

Hi Armchair

You may have pointed to the article:

(lets call it) ASSANGE ISN'T A REAL JOURNALIST, BUT MERELY A POLITICAL ACTIVIST

first. But you have trouble expressing yourself online, matey :)

Note planta's full reproduction and citing of the article from here:

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=8746&page=0#280312

Cheers

Assange cost Ecuador $9 million over the seven years they protected from justice. Serves them right.

Hi Armchair

Where you say "We don't know"

Democraticly established Western security agencies were/are in a good position to "know" very well how Assange enticed Manning to dump 100,000s of Western democracy secret files. A dump potentially dangerous to our diggers fighting in Afgahanistan.

These Western democracy secret files once dumped were mainly of use to hostile intelligence agencies.

It takes big Russian and Chinese intelligence agencies to digest 100,000s of war in Afghanistan files.

The remaining anti-Western dropkicks who still support his Greatness Mr Julian Assange won't even accept his right to faecal expression.

"Note as you have me in the leftist basket how do you find my agreement with your view?"

Belly, I've put you in the "Decent bloke" and "Rational human being" baskets. The reality is that each of us will often have a different take on things. Reading some of the Wikipedia stuff on "Collateral Murder" I see how complex the issue is. However, Assange did present the footage in a biased manner.

"In any case it's just conjecture.
There's no evidence he actually did it;"

Why hasn't Assange sued then? I'd guess that a number of embassy staff were privvy to his behaviour.

Hey plantagenet

"Democraticly established Western security agencies were/are in a good position to "know" very well how Assange enticed Manning to dump 100,000s of Western democracy secret files. A dump potentially dangerous to our diggers fighting in Afgahanistan."

I don't care if we've got troops in Afghanistan.
- If they aren't on our soil they're mercenaries -
What the hell are we doing in Afghanistan anyway?
Guarding poppies and pipelines?
Standing side by side with the US and neocon foreign policy?
Stirring up shite to justify the continued existence of NATO?

It doesn't seem like there was ANY enticement from Assange at all.

"The remaining anti-Western dropkicks who still support his Greatness Mr Julian Assange won't even accept his right to faecal expression."

I accept his right to fecal expression;
He can smear himself in excrement for all I care

- I just don't think he did it - smeared the walls with crap
- And I don't think hes guilty of the charges against him either.

Hey Fester
"Why hasn't Assange sued then? I'd guess that a number of embassy staff were privvy to his behaviour."

How many do you think would corroborate Assange's story over that of the Interior Minister's story?

There's more info too;
Secure Dropbox for whilstleblowers with the backdoor intecept;
- That whole backstory and related suspicious suicides
Then there's the suspicious deaths of Wikileaks Ratner, Jones and McFadden in August 2012.

Assange's lawyers HAVE TO get out in front of this and tell the truth before they get slapped with a gag order on May 2.
Otherwise Assanges done; I don't know if the deep state will allow him to testify (not in an open court anyway) he could say he got Podesta Files from Seth Rich or refute the Meuller investigation.

If government aren't acting withing the rules, they've lost the right to govern. I don't care if Assange exposed and embarrassed the government.

If I catch you in the act of murder, is it my fault YOU got caught?

Fester much the same from me about you
Even like you, see bad and good in the bloke, mostly bad now
He, surely, knew he was about to get the boot,was that why he did some of the things they said he did while there
Or was that just more Banana Republic fake after yet another soon to be rich dictator took over the country

Hi Armchair, Belly and others

All good arguments. Seems the dominant OLO thread on Assange is now:

"Shredding asylum: the arrest of Julian Assange"
By Binoy Kampmark, published 15/4/2019

at http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=20258&page=0

which I've moved to.

Regards

Pete

Gday Pete not ready to move on yet but willing to be the Banana Republic Either made a quid out of giving him the boot or acted under pressure

Are there two different releases of emails ?
There is the downloading of intelligence emails by Chelse Mannering
and a downloading of Hilary Clinton's emails from the Democratic
Party's computer when she was Sec of State ?

I am not sure whether it would make a difference to the legal situation.
Whatever Assange did he was not in the US at the time.

Hiya Bazza

"two different releases of emails?"

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Nope, maybe 20 or 30 major releases

check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_material_published_by_WikiLeaks

with the 100,000s year by year really picking up from 2009
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Maybe totaling "10 million documents" DUMPED TO DAMAGE RATHER THAN READ see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiLeaks

"WikiLeaks (/ˈwɪkiliːks/) is an international non-profit organisation that publishes secret information, news leaks,[5] and classified media provided by anonymous sources.[6] Its website, initiated in 2006 in Iceland by the organisation Sunshine Press,[7] claims a database of 10 million documents in 10 years since its launch.[8] "

Bazz America right now, [as opposed to Obama pardoning Manning] is out for blood
Trump is crushed in the middle,he may even be behind the world banks loan to the Banana Republic inviting the police in to the embassy to arrest the man
Anything is possible in today's America

Honest Government Ad | Julian Assange
http://youtu.be/1efOs0BsE0g
Funny skit, sad it's true (contains swearing.)

I want to be serious for a second though.
No-one is reporting the real facts about the Assange case.

Let me say that again so it sinks in.
NO-ONE is reporting the TRUE FACTS about the Assange case.
All they're giving you a narrative.

You're not going to get the truth from Binoy or anyone else.
If you want the truth, you'll have to sit through 2 hours of watching videos for the REAL picture to start presenting itself to you, as I have.

RIGHT HERE

http://youtu.be/esVwgpRfGuA
April 13th, 2019 Wikileaks Update - Assange, Kamphuis, Schwartz, Dolan, Jones, Ratner, McFadden

https://youtu.be/C0cfDamjvg8
April 17th, 2019 Page, Papa, and Halpa - Dossiers On The Souls Of Our Coups

Link to the mock trial of Julian Assange

http://youtu.be/BGptAC3BMaw
Assange Mock Trial, Fake JFK release; + John gets "Purple Hazed!"--Live Chat No. 44 with George Webb

Watching those two hours is really only the beginning.
You'll have to take notes and then do a little only investigating yourselves.

What you will uncover though is worth the effort;
- That is if any of you care about facts or that Assange gets a fair trial, which he won't.

If just ONE person watches this, they will be able to corroborate with me that;
NO-ONE is giving you the true facts on the Assange case.
- Except George Webb Sweigart -

I'm bringing you these facts;
I'm bringing you the REAL facts that others aren't telling you.

The flagship of the Left for information, The Sydney Morning Herald and the Mueller Report said two hours ago that "Assange Lied"; he is a "monster, not a journalist."

WIKILEAKS THREATENS COURT ACTION AGAINST JOURNALISTS' FREEDOM OF SPEECH

In a move to to prevent real journalists from doing to Wikileaks what Wikileaks does every day to democratic governments.
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Reported January 7, 2019 http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/wikileaks-emails-journalists-with-97-false-and-defamatory-claims-to-avoid-in-reporting-on-founder-julian-assange/

Wikileaks emailed journalists with a list of around 100 “false and defamatory” statements about its founder/publisher Julian Assange after claiming efforts to defame him had “reached a new nadir”.

It said the number of “false and defamatory” claims made against Assange had “accelerated” since his internet access at the Ecuadorian Embassy in London, where he has lived for more than six years, was cut off last year.

This rise was “perhaps because of an incorrect view that Mr Assange, due to his grave personal circumstances, can no longer defend his reputation”, it said in the email sent out to journalists.

Before listing 97 “false and defamatory” claims about Assange and Wikileaks itself, the email concluded: “The purpose of this list is to aid the honest and accurate and to put the dishonest and inaccurate on notice.”

It is believed that the list originally contained 140 claims, but the version published by Wikileaks today had some sections taken out.

The email was originally marked as “NOT FOR PUBLICATION” but was later made public by Wikileaks after being leaked.