Dear mhaze,

I asked a simple question; "Pray tell what internal and external 'civilisation killing' threats to Western civilisation do you think are at play and where would a 'civilisation killing' invasion most likely come from?"

Yet you couldn't answer it could you. So instead you diverted and spat out words like "pathetic". Hardly anything that was likely to sway my original assessment of your motives is there.

Care to try again or is it just a little too hard?

Nowhere did I say that an invasion was the issue. External threats come in all sorts of forms as do internal threats.

You always go down this path after you've made a monumental stuff up such as thinking this had anything to do with Islam. You immediately change the focus away from your monumental stuff up.

I'm not playing. Clearly you have no understanding about the period and its relevance to the west and why some would see studying the origins of our civilisation would be of value as it enters dangerous waters.

That's OK. There are millions like you who know not where we came from and therefore where we're headed.

Dear mhaze,

Well I see the 'civilisation killing' threats have been thankfully downgraded to 'dangerous waters'.

Yet we are no closer to learning what they are.

"I'm not playing" is of course just another way of saying 'I won't answer because I'm in a sticky spot'.

And indeed you are my friend, indeed you are.

Nowhere did I say there are current civilisation killing threats. This will be harder for you to follow but saying that there were such threats 2500 years ago doesn't mean they exist today. Today we have different but still significant issues.

You see its hard to have a rational conversation with someone who can't differentiate between problem 2500 years ago and those today.

Just as its hard to give even passing credence to someone who makes mistakes like your Islam guffaw.
You keep on laughably misreading g what I write and then demand that I explain your misunderstandings. Its both sad and funny simultaneously.

Look. Go back and read what I originally wrote. Then read it again. Then ask a 10th grader to explain it to you.

But I'll take some pity. I said that our present civilisation is under threat and some of the answers might be found in its history.

What type of threats?

Many of the pillars of our civilisation are being attacked internally and externally. Things like freedom of expression, freedom of thought, search and reverence for the truth,the work ethic,ethics in general,the family, pride in and willingness to preserve our history and heritage.

I assume I've lost you by now. But there's more than enough in there for you to misunderstand.

The years 509-338 B.C. were dramatic ones.
In Greece Athens, led by aristocrats, laid the
foundations of democracy, defeated the Persians,
acquired and lost an empire, and saw hegemony pass in
turn to Sparta and Thebes before it rested finally with
Macedonia.

These years embrace the Golden Age of Athenian art and
literature, followed in the fourth century by the
scarcely less impressive achievements of Demosthenes
in oratory and of Plato and Aristotle in philosophy.
In Italy Rome expelled its kings in the same year
(509 B.C.) as Athens expelled its tyrants, but
contrived to build an aristocratic constitution so
firmly that it established power over the Latin League
in the same year (338 B.C.) in which Athens lost its
political power forever.

It is worth noting that in two short years puny Greece
had thrown the Persian colossus back beyond the Straits.
Sparta and Athens shared credit for the victory.Sparta
withdrew from further competition as soon as danger to
the Peloponnese was past, whereas the vigorous Athenian
democracy went on to fill the vacuum created by the
collapse of Persian aggression, to create an empire in
its turn, and to express its exaltation in masterpieces of
art and literature.

cont'd ...

This information was taken from William L. Langer's -
"Western Civilisation: Paleolithic Man to the Emergence
of European Powers."